So... apparently that is a skill feat that exists.
I am just [strike]completely[/strike] mostly baffled as to... why? What does it even do? I mean, a PC can already punch/shove/skewer/pummel/stab/clobber/cut/disintegrate a fool who so much as looks at them funny.
The only potential use I could see is, if they would just have to roll initiative to see if they get the action off before the intended victim goes, and Say That Again! makes the action just happen without the intended victim getting a chance to get an action in edgewise?
It also only triggers on a crit fail.
I pretty much ignore it.
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Yeah I think that's pretty much it. The feat essentially gives you a guaranteed shove, whereas otherwise you'd probably roll initiative as soon as hostilities are initiated.
Plus it specifically lets you roll intimidation for initiative, which the GM might not otherwise allow in that specific scenario (starting combat by shoving someone might normally call for athletics initiative or something).
... I really dislike how specific this feat is though. You need to be adjacent to someone, who needs to make a specific check, who needs to critically fail that check, and then you need to want to shove them specifically for some reason, before the feat even does anything.
Well, Haughty Obstinacy is a thing that a PC of mine has, so there would be some synergy, but yeah, too little for too high a price its seems.
At least I cannot see any other use/interaction for this, which is quite a pity. Maybe if the Shove came with a free counter-intimidation check or one could use a Trip to shove them on their bottom or something...
That Again!
Booooo.
That Again!Booooo.
No no, he has a point...
If used when already in combat on a demoralize check it allows a shove as a reaction (with full MAP) instead of spending an action. Probably not worth it as it is only on crit fails, but that is some benefit.
Well, gotta ask my GM if he allows Haughty Obstinacy to work with that. Fail instead of crit fail. Still only once every blue moon or so, but at least an improvement.