Dedicated vs Dual vs universal needs to be more balanced

[Verzen]

And here's how to do that.

On top of the free feats...
Dedicated can gather elements as a free action. They are so use to gathering elements, that they can do so freely.

Dual elements are restricted to only dealing with 'hybrid' elements of the combined types. It replaces all instances of what is occurring with it's hybrid benefit and deals hybrid damage. *So if I am an earth and water kineticist, I am riding a wave of mud rather than water*

Universal gates however need to spend that action to gather elements as gathering elements is more challenging for them to do. This will provide them an action tax, but can give them more variety of abilities to pull from..

While dedicated will be the most "efficient" choice as they are so accustomed to using just that singular element, they can do so effortlessly.

[roquepo]

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

[Verzen]

roquepo wrote:

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

How would you fix it? Since universal pretty much makes dedicated and dual irrelevant at higher level.

[Sydney S.]

roquepo wrote:

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

imo, it might be exactly what dedicated gate needs to stay relevant.

dual and universal gate characters will be doing cycle elements to gather and blast with the same action, and then follow up with a two action overflow of their choice.
A dedicated gate character gets no bonus for gathering power, it's just pure action tax. Letting them be the ones that get to use a three action overflow in one turn would be a nice niche.

[Guntermench]

Sydney S. wrote:

roquepo wrote:

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

imo, it might be exactly what dedicated gate needs to stay relevant.

dual and universal gate characters will be doing cycle elements to gather and blast with the same action, and then follow up with a two action overflow of their choice.
A dedicated gate character gets no bonus for gathering power, it's just pure action tax. Letting them be the ones that get to use a three action overflow in one turn would be a nice niche.

I'd expect that ability not to survive the playtest. It seems to be missing a requirement that you already have an element gathered, but it's worded like you need to have an element gathered already before you can use it.

[Sydney S.]

Guntermench wrote:

Sydney S. wrote:

roquepo wrote:

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

imo, it might be exactly what dedicated gate needs to stay relevant.

dual and universal gate characters will be doing cycle elements to gather and blast with the same action, and then follow up with a two action overflow of their choice.
A dedicated gate character gets no bonus for gathering power, it's just pure action tax. Letting them be the ones that get to use a three action overflow in one turn would be a nice niche.

I'd expect that ability not to survive the playtest. It seems to be missing a requirement that you already have an element gathered, but it's worded like you need to have an element gathered already before you can use it.

That's a fair take. Technically it only says you can't gather the same element you already have, (which is pointless to begin with) but it would make sense if the intent was to say you need something gathered already to even use it.

[Guntermench]

Sydney S. wrote:

Guntermench wrote:

Sydney S. wrote:

roquepo wrote:

That would make Dedicated too strong in comparison to Dual and universal. Like, way too strong.

imo, it might be exactly what dedicated gate needs to stay relevant.

dual and universal gate characters will be doing cycle elements to gather and blast with the same action, and then follow up with a two action overflow of their choice.
A dedicated gate character gets no bonus for gathering power, it's just pure action tax. Letting them be the ones that get to use a three action overflow in one turn would be a nice niche.

I'd expect that ability not to survive the playtest. It seems to be missing a requirement that you already have an element gathered, but it's worded like you need to have an element gathered already before you can use it.

That's a fair take. Technically it only says you can't gather the same element you already have, (which is pointless to begin with) but it would make sense if the intent was to say you need something gathered already to even use it.

Ah, it has the Impulse trait. That means you must have an element gathered to use the action.

[YuriP]

IMO the Dedicated just need to be stronger. The limitation of not being able to access other damage types and other element Impulses is primary the difficult to circumvent resistances. So in order to compensate this he just needs more damage!

If the designers move the Stoke Element and embed Gather Element in it this will be enough. The Dedicated Gate Kineticists will focus their power in only one element even to try circunvent the resistances by force.

Obs.: This would accumulate with some Con bonus to DMG.

For Dual I think they could simply merge both Gather Element in one allowing to use both elements with same Gather Element (don't needing to use an extra action to switch).