Does a Brawler flurrying with Unarmed Strikes get full or half power attack damage on the extra attacks?
I'd assumed full, but I'm second guessing myself and can't actually find anything saying the extra attacks aren't counted as 'off-hand', even if all made with a single weapon/limb, so now I'm leaning more towards half.
And as a loosely related second question;
Would a Human Brawler who has boosted his Grapple CMD via fcb get that bonus when the person he has grappled makes their check to escape, either via CMB or Escape Artist?
Full, it functions as Chained Monk's flurry which adds full strength on all attacks. Despite working like two weapon fighting and having the attack pattern of it, it isn't actually two weapon fighting so you don't have the rule about half-strength on off hand attacks.
Yes, if you are boosting your grapple CMD, you boost it for all things that it is checked against with any grapple check or adjacent use.
Full, it functions as Chained Monk's flurry which adds full strength on all attacks. Despite working like two weapon fighting and having the attack pattern of it, it isn't actually two weapon fighting so you don't have the rule about half-strength on off hand attacks.
Yeah, I knew they get full strength on all attacks, that's explicitly called out under Unarmed Strike and Brawler's Flurry.
It doesn't mention Power Attack at all though, which was where I was unsure.
Power attack follows the strength bonus multiplier. If an attack normally has half strength, you get half power attack, if it normally has 1.5 strength, you get 1.5 power attack. The only place I know of off the top of my head that deviates is Two Handed Fighter, and even then, it's only for a few levels.
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Does a Brawler flurrying with Unarmed Strikes get full or half power attack damage on the extra attacks?
Half, because nothing says otherwise. All PA says is "This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon." The bonus attacks are off-hand attacks (even when made with the same weapon), and thus get 1:1 PA ratio regardless of the strength bonus.
Full, it functions as Chained Monk's flurry
No it doesn't, the two abilites have zero relation. Stop making up things.
Despite working like two weapon fighting and having the attack pattern of it, it isn't actually two weapon fighting so you don't have the rule about half-strength on off hand attacks.
Wrong, Brawler's Flurry uses all TWF rules unless otherwise specified.
Also, the rule on half-damage on off-hand attacks is unrelated to the TWF rules. "Off-Hand Weapon: When you deal damage with a weapon in your off hand, you add only 1/2 your Strength bonus. If you have a Strength penalty, the entire penalty applies." CRB pg. 179, that's the basic damage roll rules. The TWF rules 23 pages later, by the way.
Power attack follows the strength bonus multiplier.
No, it doesn't. This is yet another fabrication of your mind.
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Does a Brawler flurrying with Unarmed Strikes get full or half power attack damage on the extra attacks?Half, because nothing says otherwise. All PA says is "This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon." The bonus attacks are off-hand attacks (even when made with the same weapon), and thus get 1:1 PA ratio regardless of the strength bonus.
Full, it functions as Chained Monk's flurryNo it doesn't, the two abilites have zero relation. Stop making up things.
Despite working like two weapon fighting and having the attack pattern of it, it isn't actually two weapon fighting so you don't have the rule about half-strength on off hand attacks.Wrong, Brawler's Flurry uses all TWF rules unless otherwise specified.
Also, the rule on half-damage on off-hand attacks is unrelated to the TWF rules. "Off-Hand Weapon: When you deal damage with a weapon in your off hand, you add only 1/2 your Strength bonus. If you have a Strength penalty, the entire penalty applies." CRB pg. 179, that's the basic damage roll rules. The TWF rules 23 pages later, by the way.
Power attack follows the strength bonus multiplier.No, it doesn't. This is yet another fabrication of your mind.
brawler can do all the attacks with only a single weapon, in the main hand. all would get full PA damage
"She does not need to use two different weapons to use this ability."
no reason they'd ever have to get half PA with a single weapon (or unarmed strike) since they're all "primary weapons"
Unarmed Strike: At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.
If you are going by the unchained monk ability then none of its unarmed attacks are off-hand attacks. The wording is not exactly the same in the brawlers descriptions but that was probably more about saving space. RAW there it is some ambiguous as to whether they get the full power attack bonus. Personally I would grant it to them because they are supposed to be a mix of monk and fighter. RAI it seem pretty clear that they should get the full bonus.
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no reason they'd ever have to get half PA with a single weapon (or unarmed strike) since they're all "primary weapons"
If that was true, how does a Brawler profit from Improved TWF? "In addition to the standard single extra attack you get with an off-hand weapon, you get a second attack with it, albeit at a –5 penalty." No off-hand, no additional attack.
Also, if there was no off-hand weapon, Brawler would be stuck at a -4 penalty from TWF, as that's the default (with the feat) that is only reduced if the off-hand weapon is light.What Brawler's Flurry does is remove thwe need for the off-hand attack to be made with a second weapon.
The wording is not exactly the same in the brawlers descriptions but that was probably more about saving space.
Or maybe it was a deliberate change because the mechanics are completely different and Brawler's Flurry requires having some of the attacks count as off-hand attacks.
A brawler doesn't profit from Improved TWF, it gets and ability that mimics its attack count, and can "not use two weapons" thus not having an offhand attack. It literally draws from the chained monk flurry, and even calls out for their unarmed strikes that you apply full strength.
And again speaking of delusional:
You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls. This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon.
It follows your strength multiplier save very niche exceptions.
Just in case anyone needed more proof that what AwesomenessDog says has absolutely nothing to do with the actual rules:
A brawler doesn't profit from Improved TWF, it gets and ability that mimics its attack count
"At 8th level, the brawler gains use of the Improved Two-Weapon Fighting feat when using brawler’s flurry."
So according to AwesomenessDog, Brawler's Flurry grants the use of a feat that "A brawler doesn't profit from".
And then it goes on to overrule all the normal limitations of TWF, never mind the fact that it says "a brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat when attacking with any combination of unarmed strikes", but you don't like to read and understand the point of what is said. Brawler doesn't have TWF, it doesn't even get the benefit beyond extra equivalent offhand attacks that then don't follow the rules of offhand attacks; whether they take the -2 is dubious by RAW if they aren't officially using two weapons, although I don't think they should ignore the penalty.
I personally don't know why they didn't just copy paste the chained monk flurry format (even with the weird delay they decide they decided to give the full bab version of the class, despite chained monk being 3/4 bab). But you shouldn't even look to the feat for what the ability does and it would have been faster and take less page space for someone to not even reference TWF, (apply a -2 attack penalty while flurrying,) and that you gain a bonus attack at -5 and -10 BAB respectively at 8th and 15th level.
But again, your attack is without merit and ignores both explicit differences from the TWF feat for brawlers and the implications of those functional differences.
Brawler's Flurry is explicitly based off of TWF amd references that feat chain directly, except for a couple specific exceptions outlined in Brawler's Flurry (most importantly, that you always add your full strength modifier and you can make all the attacks with one weapon).
Trying to intuit additional restrictions or benefits that aren't listed there is straying away from rules discussion. Saying "Don't even look at the feat" when we're talking about an ability that literally gives you that feat is a little silly.
It doesn't "literally give you the feat", it does closer to the opposite than giving you the feat (you can't take two weapon defense for example because you wouldn't qualify because you don't have the feat).
And again, the entirety of this nonsensical discussion came from Derklord literally ignoring the sentence that tells you that you get full strength on your "offhand" attacks, which would follow that you get full power attack damage instead of half.
It doesn't "literally give you the feat", it does closer to the opposite than giving you the feat (you can't take two weapon defense for example because you wouldn't qualify because you don't have the feat).
I mean, "When doing so, a brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat" is the exact language used in the ability. It's not even a "this functions as" clause, it's literally the feat.
It's a little strange, because you only have the feat when fulfilling the conditions, so you lose it again right away and can't really do anything long-term with it, but I don't see how you can read that line and then assert the ability has nothing to do with Two-Weapon Fighting.
I agree it's a very roundabout way to give someone extra attacks and doesn't really seem to do any good, but it is what it is.
The wording is functionally the same as "functions as", but for some reason Paizo loves mixing up their wordings instead of having coherent and consistent meaning. If someone gave me "'power attack' but you don't take a penalty, it scales differently, doesn't let me qualify for any feats that require power attack, etc." I wouldn't say I "have power attack".
At the same time, Piazo ironically also creates abilities that have the exact word for word and/or mechanical form of other existing abilities, and call them different abilities that don't qualify in the same way for no reason other than a name difference. Biggest example is random fighter archetypes qualifying and not qualifying for the main benefit of duelist's gloves. So according to Paizo, copy-pasting or referencing other abilities just to save space (or in this main case, actually wasting more space) does not mean an ability for feat is what it is copied from.
But also again, all of this is irrelevant to the fact brawler flurry always applies full power attack because it is explicitly called out as applying full strength and not having off-hand rules for any attacks.