Items to raise spell DC?


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I am looking for ways to make my spells more harder to dispel . I am not having very much luck finding such things but I know there's got to be something out there. Does anybody have any ideas or know of such things.?


Cyrusian Codex
(Spellbook, Level 11 Transmuter)
Source Arcane Anthology pg. 18

Ritual:
Enduring Alteration (Su) Your spells resist reality’s attempts to restore the things you change. You can spend this boon to apply the benefits of the Extend Spell feat to a transmutation spell as you cast it. This also increases the DC to dispel that spell (via dispel magic or similar abilities) by 4. This boon does not increase the spell level or casting time of your spell.

Sure, it's only transmutations spells, but I haven't been looking very long, either. That particular spellbook/ritual would be killer combined with the Tenacious Transmutations feat.

I will have to try another search in order to find more... all I've done, so far, was type Dispel into AoN's search bar and started looking at equipment/items. Lol.


Do you really mean “harder to dispel”, or possibly “harder to save against”? Usually things being easily dispelled isn’t problematic; if anything capable of casting Dispel Magic or Remove Curse is spending turns that way, that’s great (also Dispel magic looks at spell caster level vs. remove curse being spell DC based, which adds a bit more mess to this).

If you really mean ‘harder to dispel’, Tenacious Spell metamagic is nice. It looks like there isn’t officially a metamagic rod for it, but there should be a Metamagic Gem for it.


You want to increase your caster level. An Orange Prism Ioun Stone will do that (+1 for all purposes), but it's an expensive thing at 30K.

AoN implies that a cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone in a Wayfinder might add 1d4-2 to the CL for only 1000gp, but that could be a mistake.

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Mudfoot wrote:

You want to increase your caster level. An Orange Prism Ioun Stone will do that (+1 for all purposes), but it's an expensive thing at 30K.

AoN implies that a cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone in a Wayfinder might add 1d4-2 to the CL for only 1000gp, but that could be a mistake.

If it resonates. While 75% of typical ioun stones resonate, only 25% of cracked or scorched ioun stones have resonant powers. (Seekers of Secrets page 46.) In order to remove this kind of potential cheese (or the crushing disappointment of a bad roll on a typical stone) Pathfinder Society - and most home game GMs - standardize that all regular stones resonate but no inferior stones resonate.


There are traits that make your spells harder to Dispel, but finding items that do it is difficult since Dispel only looks at the spell's caster level... not the target's overall caster level. Dispel is looking at essentially the earliest/lowest CL capable of casting the spell, so raising your overall CL does nothing to protect you from Dispel. It is not simply a battle of whose CL is higher.

There is a difference, and I don't think the target having an Orange Prism Ioun Stone would have any affect on whether a spell was Dispelled, or not. An Orange Prism Ioun Stone would help the person casting Dispel, but not make any of the spells active on the target [of Dispel] any harder to Dispel.

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VoodistMonk wrote:
There are traits that make your spells harder to Dispel, but finding items that do it is difficult since Dispel only looks at the spell's caster level... not the target's overall caster level. Dispel is looking at essentially the earliest/lowest CL capable of casting the spell, so raising your overall CL does nothing to protect you from Dispel. It is not simply a battle of whose CL is higher.

I'm saying this as politely as I can: that is incorrect.

The caster level of a spell is the caster level of the person who cast it. (Subject to all the normal caveats about things that boost/lower caster level for specific spells.)

CRB page 208 wrote:
A spell’s power often depends on its caster level, which for most spellcasting characters is equal to her class level in the class she’s using to cast the spell.

Check out the text of dispel magic, which uses a CL12 stoneskin in the example. There's no spell list including stoneskin for whom CL12 is the "lowest CL capable of casting the spell."


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Belafon is correct. VoodistMonk, I think you're thinking of found scrolls and wands. They're really dispel-fodder because they're by default created at the lowest possible caster level and casting stat.


I was absolutely thinking about the scrolls/wands thing... but I still don't think I understand Dispel correctly.

If the same caster casted all the active spells, they will likely all have the same CL... sans a few that might be affected by specific feats, or whatever. In the specific example provided in the description of Dispel Magic, if the same CL 12 caster had casted both Stoneskin and Fly on the creature in question... the Dispel check would have failed completely, right?

It's really nothing more than just a caster level p!ss!ng contest? Hmm, I have been using this all wrong for a while now. Lol. Good. To. Know.


To be fair, there are a lot of people I have encountered that mistook the spell level for what the dispel description was meaning to say, not caster level, and that higher level spells *would* be dispelled first of those who have the same caster level (say because they were cast by the same person).


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