AP / Adventure lacking how to avoid TPK

[Laclale♪]

Many encounter is above than moderate.

I saw too many TPK report.

One of TPK preventation pointed "Are you doing Mass harder encounter?" and said official AP and Adventure are.

[willfromamerica]

Which adventure path is this in reference to? You can always throw the weak template on enemies to bring the challenge level down easily.

[The Raven Black]

willfromamerica wrote:

Which adventure path is this in reference to? You can always throw the weak template on enemies to bring the challenge level down easily.

Or just give the PCs a level bump.

[Laclale♪]

willfromamerica wrote:

Which adventure path is this in reference to?

Multiple. e.g. AoA, EC, AoE, maybe SoT

[thewastedwalrus]

One aspect of seeing too many TPK reports is that people are less likely to report a non-TPK.

[Deriven Firelion]

The only AP my players had trouble in was AoA. There are a few vicious encounters here and there in the other APs that if you run into them too soon, you could get wiped out. But it would be more helpful to hear what monsters or encounters are specifically causing the TPKs.

[Harles]

We had something like 3 TPKs in 5 sessions when I ran Age of Ashes. Granted this is considered a very difficult AP, and the players didn't have access to all the tactical knowledge that has been discovered over the past couple years (i.e. not taking the 3rd attack, using Demoralize, etc.)

We'd play, have a TPK. Create new characters, beat the encounter that killed the previous party, maybe have one more successful encounter, then die again - rinse and repeat the cycle.

The best thing to do is to use the guidelines in the Core Rulebook (and actually follow them, because they mostly work), and then write your own adventure. In my opinion, the APs haven't been the best, and I think any GM should be able to write something better for their table.

[The Raven Black]

APs should indeed always be adapted by the GM to best suit their table. Because Paizo does not know the players and their PCs as the GM does.

Paizo is pretty explicit about this too.

[Deriven Firelion]

Harles wrote:

We had something like 3 TPKs in 5 sessions when I ran Age of Ashes. Granted this is considered a very difficult AP, and the players didn't have access to all the tactical knowledge that has been discovered over the past couple years (i.e. not taking the 3rd attack, using Demoralize, etc.)

We'd play, have a TPK. Create new characters, beat the encounter that killed the previous party, maybe have one more successful encounter, then die again - rinse and repeat the cycle.

The best thing to do is to use the guidelines in the Core Rulebook (and actually follow them, because they mostly work), and then write your own adventure. In my opinion, the APs haven't been the best, and I think any GM should be able to write something better for their table.

Maybe wait for Blood Lords or the Kingmaker 2E update.

Blood Lords sounds fricking awesome. Read the synopsis on that one. Sounds great.

And Kingmaker is a legendary AP. Most fun adventure I've ever run. My players loved it. They want to do it again and can't wait for the 2E conversion to come out. Supposed to come out in September.

If you pick up Kingmaker and your group doesn't love that, they'll never like anything in PF. Kingmaker was pretty universally seen as an amazing AP.

[Harles]

Deriven Firelion wrote:

Maybe wait for Blood Lords or the Kingmaker 2E update.

Blood Lords sounds fricking awesome. Read the synopsis on that one. Sounds great.

And Kingmaker is a legendary AP. Most fun adventure I've ever run. My players loved it. They want to do it again and can't wait for the 2E conversion to come out. Supposed to come out in September.

If you pick up Kingmaker and your group doesn't love that, they'll never like anything in PF. Kingmaker was pretty universally seen as an amazing AP.

I ran the first half of Kingmaker back in 1e, and it was pretty solid. Not sure when we'll actually see the 2e Kingmaker in publication, though. It's been delayed indefinitely, right?

I am excited to see the Geb AP though. Just hoping it's not undead PCs.

[keftiu]

They've said Blood Lords works with living and undead PCs, so long as they're non-Good in Alignment - they're working for the state of Geb, after all.

[The Raven Black]

Harles wrote:

Deriven Firelion wrote:

Maybe wait for Blood Lords or the Kingmaker 2E update.

Blood Lords sounds fricking awesome. Read the synopsis on that one. Sounds great.

And Kingmaker is a legendary AP. Most fun adventure I've ever run. My players loved it. They want to do it again and can't wait for the 2E conversion to come out. Supposed to come out in September.

If you pick up Kingmaker and your group doesn't love that, they'll never like anything in PF. Kingmaker was pretty universally seen as an amazing AP.

I ran the first half of Kingmaker back in 1e, and it was pretty solid. Not sure when we'll actually see the 2e Kingmaker in publication, though. It's been delayed indefinitely, right?

Delayed indefinitely ? No.

Running in a lot of delays, but still making progress ? Yes ;-)

[Deriven Firelion]

Harles wrote:

Deriven Firelion wrote:

Maybe wait for Blood Lords or the Kingmaker 2E update.

Blood Lords sounds fricking awesome. Read the synopsis on that one. Sounds great.

And Kingmaker is a legendary AP. Most fun adventure I've ever run. My players loved it. They want to do it again and can't wait for the 2E conversion to come out. Supposed to come out in September.

If you pick up Kingmaker and your group doesn't love that, they'll never like anything in PF. Kingmaker was pretty universally seen as an amazing AP.

I ran the first half of Kingmaker back in 1e, and it was pretty solid. Not sure when we'll actually see the 2e Kingmaker in publication, though. It's been delayed indefinitely, right?

I am excited to see the Geb AP though. Just hoping it's not undead PCs.

I think Kingmaker last I heard was slotted to go the printer at the end of April and be ready by September?

[Kasoh]

Deriven Firelion wrote:

Harles wrote:

Deriven Firelion wrote:

Maybe wait for Blood Lords or the Kingmaker 2E update.

Blood Lords sounds fricking awesome. Read the synopsis on that one. Sounds great.

And Kingmaker is a legendary AP. Most fun adventure I've ever run. My players loved it. They want to do it again and can't wait for the 2E conversion to come out. Supposed to come out in September.

If you pick up Kingmaker and your group doesn't love that, they'll never like anything in PF. Kingmaker was pretty universally seen as an amazing AP.

I ran the first half of Kingmaker back in 1e, and it was pretty solid. Not sure when we'll actually see the 2e Kingmaker in publication, though. It's been delayed indefinitely, right?

I am excited to see the Geb AP though. Just hoping it's not undead PCs.

I think Kingmaker last I heard was slotted to go the printer at the end of April and be ready by September?

That's the most current news. Failing any shipping shenanigans, release in September or October.