Healing bonus' on spells when applied as damage against undead.

[Raveve]

Some of my players were asking how this would work and while I had thought one way some of them thought another. As i couldn't find a thread already asking this (if there is just direct me to it please) I am posing the question here.

If someone has the Blessed touch trait and attempts to damage an undead with cure light wounds do they get the +1 on the damage?

If anyone has an answer or can point me to a part of the rules that addresses this I would greatly appreciate it, thank you.

[Diego Rossi]

Quote:

You heal 1 additional point of damage when using lay on hands, channeling energy, or casting a cure spell.

As it doesn't say "when using lay on hands, channeling energy, or casting a cure spell the effect increase by 1 point", but specifically says that you "heal 1 1 additional point of damage", I would say that it has no effect when damaging someone/something with positive energy, even if it comes from those spells/abilities.

It is a trait, and generally traits are limited. Having the same trait both increase healing and increase damage, when other traits do only the second thing, would make it stronger than a typical trait.

[*Thelith]

Eh, cure light wounds says it cures damage.

As a result of being powered by negative energy it hurts undead.

The result of this is it hurts an undead for however much it would have healed a non-undead.

It's more positive energy--> more damage to an undead.

[Diego Rossi]

*Thelith wrote:

Eh, cure light wounds says it cures damage.

As a result of being powered by negative energy it hurts undead.

The result of this is it hurts an undead for however much it would have healed a non-undead.

It's more positive energy--> more damage to an undead.

Where does it say that it is more positive energy?

It says that the effects heal 1 more hit point. Nowhere does it say that it is positive energy. You assume that, but it is not how these kinds of traits work.

[Kasoh]

I think Diego Rossi is correct in that the wording would prohibit the bonus as damage.

I also think that unless the PC is stacking a lot of those bonuses, its probably not going to make a difference and its fine.

[*Thelith]

When you use a cure spell you're attempting to heal. And you add up your healing.

Because something is undead it's harmed by that healing.

You're not suddenly not healing with positive energy, it's just hurting an undead.

So you're STILL HEALING. Meaning +1 heal will result in +1 damage.... Because the thing receiving the healing is Instead damaged by it.

[Azothath]

CLW there's a save involved for the undead, Will for half damage, so it is not automatic full damage. So just add one point and calculate the spell's DC.... just run it as written.