Reloading Repeating Weapons


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Hello, friends.

The rules regarding Reload (CRB p.279) state that: "Switching your grip to free a hand and then to place your hands in the grip necessary to wield the weapon are both included in the actions you spend to reload a weapon".

I was wondering if that ruling also applies to weapons with the Repeating trait.


Seyres wrote:

Hello, friends.

The rules regarding Reload (CRB p.279) state that: "Switching your grip to free a hand and then to place your hands in the grip necessary to wield the weapon are both included in the actions you spend to reload a weapon".

I was wondering if that ruling also applies to weapons with the Repeating trait.

It should. The actions needed for reloading a repeating weapon are the same type of action for standard reloads.


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The Reload rule that says switching grip is included does not specify that it only applies to regular ammunition. The Repeating trait only uses the word 'loaded', which is also used in the Reload rules.

So I would go with the ruling that the Repeating trait and changing to a magazine only changes the number of actions that are needed to do the reloading - not any other rules about Reload such as the inclusion of changing grip.


breithauptclan wrote:

The Reload rule that says switching grip is included does not specify that it only applies to regular ammunition. The Repeating trait only uses the word 'loaded', which is also used in the Reload rules.

So I would go with the ruling that the Repeating trait and changing to a magazine only changes the number of actions that are needed to do the reloading - not any other rules about Reload such as the inclusion of changing grip.

I see. So a PC wielding a 2-handed repeating gun would need to spend 4 actions (3 to reload and 1 to regrip the weapon) in order to be able to fire the emprty gun, correct?


Seyres wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:

The Reload rule that says switching grip is included does not specify that it only applies to regular ammunition. The Repeating trait only uses the word 'loaded', which is also used in the Reload rules.

So I would go with the ruling that the Repeating trait and changing to a magazine only changes the number of actions that are needed to do the reloading - not any other rules about Reload such as the inclusion of changing grip.

I see. So a PC wielding a 2-handed repeating gun would need to spend 4 actions (3 to reload and 1 to regrip the weapon) in order to be able to fire the emprty gun, correct?

I think you are overthinking.

To reload you need a number of actions equal to the reload value ( firearms require 3 acions which don't have to be in sequence or in the same round ), each of them triggers AoO ( or anything linked to manipulate/interact ) separately.

Bows requires 0 actions to perform the interact ( it's for free ).
Light crossbows require 1 action to perform the interact.
Firearms / repeating weapons require 3 actions to interact with the item.


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Repeating weapons require 3 interact actions to reload. Don't worry about your hands unless you're dual wielding.


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Seyres wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:

The Reload rule that says switching grip is included does not specify that it only applies to regular ammunition. The Repeating trait only uses the word 'loaded', which is also used in the Reload rules.

So I would go with the ruling that the Repeating trait and changing to a magazine only changes the number of actions that are needed to do the reloading - not any other rules about Reload such as the inclusion of changing grip.

I see. So a PC wielding a 2-handed repeating gun would need to spend 4 actions (3 to reload and 1 to regrip the weapon) in order to be able to fire the emprty gun, correct?

Uh... No, I am actually saying the opposite. The automatic re-grip of the 2-handed firearm would be included in the Reload action. If the firearm also has the Repeating trait, it wouldn't change (remove) that benefit. It would make it take 3 actions to reload instead of 1, but you wouldn't have to spend a 4th action to re-grip.

aobst128 wrote:
Repeating weapons require 3 interact actions to reload. Don't worry about your hands unless you're dual wielding.

Yes. If your other hand is full, you can't reload a 1-hand weapon. Because the Reload benefit is only to change grip on the ranged weapon. You do still have to be holding it.


Got it. Thank you all for the help.


Since we're on the topic, I have a question about the Repeating Heavy Crossbow. I hope it's ok to post in here

This weapon has the Repeating trait and Reloading 1. Does this mean I need to spend an extra action (totalizing 4) to "cock" the bolt after inserting the magazine?

Text for reference: "Once that magazine is in place, the ammunition loads automatically each time the weapon is cocked to fire, reducing its reload to the value in its reload entry" (G&G p62).

I apologize for the consecutive posts.


Yes, that means that reloading a single bolt in the Repeating Heavy Crossbow takes 1 action - for as long as the magazine still has bolts in it.

Reloading the magazine still takes 3 actions.


Well, this makes this weapon even worse than I thought it was. lol

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