Hi everyone,
There are a few edible consumables that have been released recently: Brewer's Regret, Dragon's Blood Pudding for example.
But there are not much rules about them, besides the general magic items rules.
The thing is that potions and elixirs can be fed to someone else, and these edible consumables don't benefit from this rule per strict RAW. I was wondering what you would, as GMs, allow around your table. Would you stick to RAW and forbid it, or consider that it's very similar to potions and elixirs and allow it (I even think it's easier to feed someone a pill in the middle of the action than a potion)?
Goodberry has been that way for years too. Goodberry is very action-intensive to try and use during combat (fetch berries, maybe even from pack; cast spell; walk over to ally; feed berries to ally?). Strict RAW there is nothing saying that you can use your interact action to feed the berries to the ally. They have to use their interact action to eat the berries. And may have to be the ones holding the berries at the time in order to do so.
A malicious GM could very easily shut down the working of Goodberry or other similar things as a result.
I am not a malicious GM though. I would allow feeding items to allies similar to the rules for feeding them potions and elixirs.
For reference: Potion feeding
You can feed a potion only to a creature that is within reach and willing or otherwise so helpless that it can’t resist. You usually need only one hand to consume a potion or feed it to another creature.
Why would you force someone to chew? You just need to put it in their mouth.
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Why would you force someone to chew? You just need to put it in their mouth.
Go ahead and try drinking a full beverage that somebody else is pouring into your mouth with 10 full seconds while both of you actively move around, let me know how that goes.
Also, assuming that chewing (or even swallowing if you skip chewing) takes no time at all is... brave.
Why would you force someone to chew? You just need to put it in their mouth.Go ahead and try drinking a full beverage that somebody else is pouring into your mouth with 10 full seconds while both of you actively move around, let me know how that goes.
Also, assuming that chewing (or even swallowing if you skip chewing) takes no time at all is... brave.
I used to use the analogy of trying to give a boxer a drink from their water bottle...while they box. That seemed ample enough reason to disallow feeding potions to one's allies in combat.
Except now PF2 explicitly allows that, so realism has taken a back seat to mechanics (perhaps because combat's when one most needs many of these items, and they'd be useless w/o the change). In Golarion, it's just easy to feed people in fights. It might be a matter of technology, having just the right design for easy pouring or recipes which make softer foods or maybe the magic only needs to be in one's mouth 2 seconds to seep out effectively.
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Why would you force someone to chew? You just need to put it in their mouth.Go ahead and try drinking a full beverage that somebody else is pouring into your mouth with 10 full seconds while both of you actively move around, let me know how that goes.
Also, assuming that chewing (or even swallowing if you skip chewing) takes no time at all is... brave.
I have no idea why everyone thinks potions are the size of soda cans, they're only like an ounce or so. Why do you think you can down one in only 2 seconds?
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I wasn't talking about potions, those are perfectly reasonable to assume they're consumed in a quick shot/gulp, the topic is about portion-sized foods and beverages that don't fit the RAW nor head-space for feeding another person.
Even practiced performers doing it on their own take two or three seconds minimum, and require both hands, to actually shotgun a can of beer which is equivalent to the brew mentioned by OP.
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Ah I misunderstood what you meant by a full beverage then.
Brewer's Regret isn't just a liquid, it's described as being mixed with myrrh, mugwort extract, and violet salt, and sold as a sandwich filling. It also describes it as "thick", so it must be somewhat the consistency of a Jam. So while it may not need to be chewed technically, you probably would want to to thin it out.
As for the Pudding, that's probably the portion of a standard pudding cup, so while it can quickly be swallowed by a conscious person, pouring that much into an unconscious person's mouth may pose an issue with breathing.
For both of these, the only problem I can see is when applying them to an unconscious ally. When given to someone who's awake, it should be fine as it's more of an action economy thing over a logistical issue.
I wasn't talking about potions, those are perfectly reasonable to assume they're consumed in a quick shot/gulp, the topic is about portion-sized foods and beverages that don't fit the RAW nor head-space for feeding another person.
Even practiced performers doing it on their own take two or three seconds minimum, and require both hands, to actually shotgun a can of beer which is equivalent to the brew mentioned by OP.
It's one action to absorb them. Is it because they are tiny portions, because we are in a world of magic or whatever, I won't question the rules, it's one action. So we don't have to care about the number of actions.
My question is: Would you allow someone to feed an ally a solid thing the same way you can feed a potion?
Per RAW, the answer is, well, undefined, as the rule doesn't exist. So technically, a GM has to make a ruling around the table for such things. I wanted to see what you guys think of that to see if there's a point in asking a GM or if it's better to just not try to do it (I play PFS, so I don't want to waste the table's time).
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I would definitely allow someone to force feed someone else as exploration activity.
During combat I would have to look at it on a case by case basis. Couldn’t find exact descriptions on my phone but these ‚food‘ items seem not to be build for combat situations and would fall into creative play not a standard use.
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I would definitely allow someone to force feed someone else as exploration activity.
During combat I would have to look at it on a case by case basis. Couldn’t find exact descriptions on my phone but these ‚food‘ items seem not to be build for combat situations and would fall into creative play not a standard use.
They can be used during combat as they are "Activated" with a single Interact action. So they are combat ready (even if the description of the item is not always making it clear).
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I wasn't talking about potions, those are perfectly reasonable to assume they're consumed in a quick shot/gulp, the topic is about portion-sized foods and beverages that don't fit the RAW nor head-space for feeding another person.
Even practiced performers doing it on their own take two or three seconds minimum, and require both hands, to actually shotgun a can of beer which is equivalent to the brew mentioned by OP.
It's one action to absorb them. Is it because they are tiny portions, because we are in a world of magic or whatever, I won't question the rules, it's one action. So we don't have to care about the number of actions.
My question is: Would you allow someone to feed an ally a solid thing the same way you can feed a potion?
Per RAW, the answer is, well, undefined, as the rule doesn't exist. So technically, a GM has to make a ruling around the table for such things. I wanted to see what you guys think of that to see if there's a point in asking a GM or if it's better to just not try to do it (I play PFS, so I don't want to waste the table's time).
I would absolutely just let people treat them as potions. Magic cake? Smash it into their face and let the magic happen, baby.
The rules are an abstraction and the most important thing is that people are having a good time. I personally find Pathfinder at its best when it isn't taking itself seriously and leans into the zany nonsense.
If someone wants to force feed a friend some pudding, go nuts. We'll all have a laugh after the battle about how their face is covered in pudding now.
