Spellguard shield bonuses

[Kazumalice]

Hello there

I have a question that is to know if Raise a Spellguard shield got the +2 circumstance bonus to spelle that "target you", is effective against Fireball, Color spray, or other spell that don't target specially the character, but an area or something else ?

Thank you for reading ^^

[NECR0G1ANT]

I would say that the Spellguard Shield gives a circumstance bonus to your saving throws against all spells, since that plays better at the table and there's no specific language ruling out AoE effects.

[HumbleGamer]

"against all spells that target you"

If you are not the target of a given spell, you don't get the benefit.

Otherwise it wouldn't have mentioned the "target" part, like for example the champion Divine Grace Feat

Quote:

Trigger You attempt a save against a spell, before you roll.

You call upon your deity’s grace, gaining a +2 circumstance bonus to the save.

[breithauptclan]

HumbleGamer wrote:

"against all spells that target you"

If you are not the target of a given spell, you don't get the benefit.

Otherwise it wouldn't have mentioned the "target" part, like for example the champion Divine Grace Feat

Quote:

Trigger You attempt a save against a spell, before you roll.

You call upon your deity’s grace, gaining a +2 circumstance bonus to the save.

I can't argue against it, but I also can't reasonably believe that this is intended. That feels more like a loose language problem caused by using English for defining rules.

Ranges, Areas, and Targets wrote:

Spells that affect multiple creatures in an area can have both an Area entry and a Targets entry. A spell that has an area but no targets listed usually affects all creatures in the area indiscriminately.

That should say that an area spell automatically targets all creatures in the area.

[Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich]

But if it 'targets' all creatures in the area, then it would be prone to concealment effects.

[breithauptclan]

Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich wrote:

But if it 'targets' all creatures in the area, then it would be prone to concealment effects.

Fair point.

I still don't think it is intended for the Spellguard Shield to not work against area effect spells.

[Kazumalice]

So, no one is certain ? :s

[HumbleGamer]

Raw is clear enough.

In addition to this, look at the reflexive shield fighter feat and how it is worded + and works).

[breithauptclan]

Kazumalice wrote:

So, no one is certain ? :s

We are all as certain as any group of random internet residents ever are about anything.

If you are hoping for official clarification, that doesn't (and tbh shouldn't) happen here. Check for updates to the FAQ errata. Until then you will have to actually negotiate the ruling between the players at your table.

What we can provide is an example of how that discussion and negotiation is likely to go.

[Kazumalice]

Sorry, i'm not easy with inglish ^^' So it doesn't work, and Reflexive shield work well for that. Thanks ^^