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I don't want to consider how many products I have.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I don't want to consider how many products I have.

I'd honest to god be frightened to look at your order history


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I can't speak from a perspective of a lot of posters here, being a straight cisgendered white male, but not only am I hurting from the allegations, but also that I keep seeing so many posts that either directly tell or insinuate how our LGBTQIA+ friends should feel.

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Cori Marie wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I don't want to consider how many products I have.
I'd honest to god be frightened to look at your order history

Coward….

;)

Grand Lodge

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Cori Marie wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I don't want to consider how many products I have.
I'd honest to god be frightened to look at your order history

With over 300 orders directly with Paizo, plus all the stuff I have obtained from FLGS/conventions, I would be more afraid to try and calculate my $pend over item count. THAT would be a truly frightening number.

Grand Lodge

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410 here.

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Willing to bet all three of us are in the multiple thousand dollar spend range


I think 125 orders or so for me. A dozen or so from B&N and the Compleat Strategist in NYC, some 3rd party stuff like Rappan Athuk, etc.

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I started to compile mine into a spreadsheet because I was curious, I've gotten through the first 50 orders and it's 90 products, and that's not counting the books I bought at the FLGS at that point (every rulebook up until Ultimate Campaign when I subscribed, ROTRL Anniversary, all six COTCT books, the pawn boxes, Kingmaker 1)


Cori Marie wrote:
I started to compile mine into a spreadsheet because I was curious, I've gotten through the first 50 orders and it's 90 products, and that's not counting the books I bought at the FLGS at that point (every rulebook up until Ultimate Campaign when I subscribed, ROTRL Anniversary, all six COTCT books, the pawn boxes, Kingmaker 1)

I'm not that bored yet. I came up with a little over $3000 by averaging 165 or so books at $20 each. Some were a hair cheaper but the hardcovers cost a lot more. With the exception of my GM screen, I sold off all my physical books as I've gone all digital now.


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Sunderstone wrote:

Just wanted to say that some of us in the community are not hurting.

The events at Paizo recently are unfortunate as I've said before (it's never good to get let go or feel forced to quit while doing something you love) but it happens all the time. It won't be the first or last time.
Overall I believe the "community that's hurting" is a small but loud percentage of the paizo fan base or supporters. Folks love to hate corporate. There were criticisms at TSR, WotC, EA, Blizzard/Activision, Ubisoft, etc.
Out of those few companies 4 are still standing and thriving no matter how evil corporate may be or the scandals surrounding them, some of which are similar to here.

Maybe. But none of the companies you mentioned made their name on providing better representation for people rarely seen in similar products provided by other companies operating in the same field. Paizo was supposed to stand for something better, not just in the products provided but also in how the company itself was run, and in how the people who worked for that company were treated by it. It's not about evil corporations. It's about good people.


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Sunderstone wrote:
I think 125 orders or so for me. A dozen or so from B&N and the Compleat Strategist in NYC, some 3rd party stuff like Rappan Athuk, etc.

ALL HAIL COMPLEAT STRATEGIST


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Sunderstone wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
I started to compile mine into a spreadsheet because I was curious, I've gotten through the first 50 orders and it's 90 products, and that's not counting the books I bought at the FLGS at that point (every rulebook up until Ultimate Campaign when I subscribed, ROTRL Anniversary, all six COTCT books, the pawn boxes, Kingmaker 1)
I'm not that bored yet. I came up with a little over $3000 by averaging 165 or so books at $20 each. Some were a hair cheaper but the hardcovers cost a lot more. With the exception of my GM screen, I sold off all my physical books as I've gone all digital now.

I wouldn't know anything about that.

hugs dragon/dungeon issues


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@Freehold DM
Well said!
I like good people and I dislike corporate in general (like the above except TSR). I just never felt the need to join or post the kinds of threads here in their forums. I'm part of the internet minority that buys their products. I'm also pretty sure not all of their staff is bad or deserves an internet beating by an armchair vigilante.


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None of the staff deserve an Internet beating.

The staff deserve empathy, a positive work environment and to be fairly compensated.

The staff are part of the community and I suspect many of them are hurting more than anyone else.


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Freehold DM wrote:


hugs dragon/dungeon issues

Those and the Shackled City HC are the things I regret selling off.

Customer Service Representative

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Hi, your friendly neighborhood CS Rep here just popping it to let you know I have removed a couple of snarky posts. One snarky comment leads to another until it snowballs into large chunks of dialogue being removed. If someone says something you don't like, maybe just you know, roll your eyes and move on.

Grand Lodge

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Sunderstone wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


hugs dragon/dungeon issues

Those and the Shackled City HC are the things I regret selling off.

In all seriousness, I am truly sorry to hear that. I greatly love my copy and having it as the first campaign I ever ran.


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Shackled City compilation is what brought me to Paizo.


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@TriOmegaZero.
My first 3rd edition campaign when it was in seperate Dungeon mags, we TPK'ed halfway through and moved to Age Of Worms.

@Steve Geddes
Same. I had always purchased Dungeon mags but Shackled City brought me to Pathfinder when they first started it up.


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Freehold DM wrote:

I wouldn't know anything about that.

hugs dragon/dungeon issues

I actually have hundreds of Dragon issues, but 85% of those are from one very lucky garage sale drop from a road trip to Boise. I started subscribing a couple months after the 30th Anniversa--

(ow I just got hit by a deep twinge of nostalgia at the thought of when I got my first issue and I went out by the old pine tree to read it)

--after the 30th Anniversary special. It was the one with the WAR cover with the adventurer looting her dead buddy. Plus a few I scrounged from the local game store.

Gosh, I miss hardcopy tabletop gaming magazines. What a weird and novel concept in this day and age. I wish they could find a way to fund those so they could survive more than a few issues before crumpling.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

I wouldn't know anything about that.

hugs dragon/dungeon issues

I actually have hundreds of Dragon issues, but 85% of those are from one very lucky garage sale drop from a road trip to Boise. I started subscribing a couple months after the 30th Anniversa--

(ow I just got hit by a deep twinge of nostalgia at the thought of when I got my first issue and I went out by the old pine tree to read it)

--after the 30th Anniversary special. It was the one with the WAR cover with the adventurer looting her dead buddy. Plus a few I scrounged from the local game store.

Gosh, I miss hardcopy tabletop gaming magazines. What a weird and novel concept in this day and age. I wish they could find a way to fund those so they could survive more than a few issues before crumpling.

I still have the first two to four years of physical Dungeon magazines. I think.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:


(ow I just got hit by a deep twinge of nostalgia at the thought of when I got my first issue and I went out by the old pine tree to read it)

Fair bit of nostalgia going around this week..


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Sunderstone wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
"Blizzard did nothing wrong" is a fresh, bold take I haven't seen before. I gotta say, I didn't miss it.

You're just seeing what you want. I never said Blizzard did nothing wrong, only that they are still standing and profiting despite the player Exodus.

If you are going to paraphrase me, please take the time to read my comment first.

Still profiting, yeah probably, but I think you're underestimating how much these controversies have affected the company.

A quick graph of monthly active users over time.

For reference, this graph suggests that over the last 5 years Blizzard has lost every single new customer Overwatch brought in. Now, obviously this doesn't tell the full story. New users would have come in for various reasons, not just Overwatch, and those who aren't "monthly active users" might still have active subscriptions that haven't expired yet, but losing close to half your userbase over the last 4 years is going to be a huge blow to any company, particularly when quite a few of those active users were subscribers to an MMO, and their loss as active customers does translate directly to a loss of profits.


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I personally know of multiple entire guilds that literally shut their doors because virtually every member signed off for good. I would be very surprised if Blizzard didn't take a hit. And then you factor in how the court of public opinion will make it easier for the people who are suing Blizzard to avoid being labeled as "troublemakers", how the widespread public condemnation of Blizzard has helped greatly destigmatize serious conversations about worker abuse in these kinds of companies... I think it's all pretty hopeful.


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I just love Mei.


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I have personally felt no pain, but I have said that I think certain people should be fired.

That said, I'm not boycotting anyone if they aren't, as I'm already boycotting WotC for... Reasons.


Freehold DM wrote:
I just love Mei.

Dva>Mei


Sunderstone wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
I just love Mei.
Dva>Mei

Truly, there is no accounting for taste.

*Sad berserk song*

Grand Lodge

Freehold DM wrote:
I just love Mei.

Would have been funny if you owned the forum name "Mei." I tried, but its already taken. :-D


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Hm. Do I want a cute, smart girl who seems nice, or a gremlin powered by Mountain Dew?

:BigThink:

Spoiler:
Begun, the waifu wars have.

Liberty's Edge

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I've been around enough to accumulate 470 orders, apparently. Maybe I should have saved the money and bought a house or something..... nah...

First one was August 14, 2004, subscription to Dungeon, and to Dragon.

17 years, what a ride....

Grand Lodge

It's way more trouble than it's worth.


My order history is inflated somewhat. When you split orders or merge orders they tend to create a new order to do that. I’ve messed around so much, I couldn’t tell.

I tried to create a database once, but it was more trouble than it’s worth.


My order history is pretty small, mostly 3rd party stuff.

Last thing I remember buying is the Advanced Class Guide.


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Tbh, I didn't know much about Paizo beyond them publishing Dungeon and Dragon magazines. I thought they were just publishing the magazines for D&d. It wasn't until Whispering Cairn when I started looking more into Paizo's staff.

I was an Erik Mona fan from the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer which he co-wrote. It was nice to read and play through a module written by him in Age of Worms.


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Sunderstone wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


hugs dragon/dungeon issues

Those and the Shackled City HC are the things I regret selling off.

I was able to get the hardcover used though without any of the maps

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