Is summon Constuct not a summoning spell?


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The sidebar Summoning Spells on page 73 of SoM says
"When the Master Summoner, Ostentatious Arrival, and Legendary Summoner feats refer to summoning spells, they mean spells that conjure a creature with the summoned trait. The spells that qualify from the Core Rulebook and this book are summon anarch, summon animal, summon axiom, summon elemental summon entity, summon fey, summon fiend, summon lesser servitor, and summon plant or fungus. Your GM might add other spells from future books that work like these spells."

The spells Summon Celestial, Summon Construct, Summon Dragon, amd Summon Giant are all in the Core Rulebook and function the same way as the spells on that list but are not on that list.


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Summon Celestial (just the first example I looked at) doesn't have the summoned trait, only conjuration.

Edit: Never mind further investigations are yielding their is no summoned trait.

I have no clue why they were excluded.


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When I first read that passage I noticed not all of them were on there myself. I have no idea why. Mistake of omission I would guess.


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There is a summoned trait but it appears on the creatures like the minion trait.

That is peculiar though. All four of those spells even have "This works like summon animal..." in the description.

I honestly thought Animate Dead was the only spell not included because necromancy. Good eye.


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I'm honestly surprised that they even tried to create an exhaustive list of spells that are compatible. Simply giving an explicitly incomplete list as an example would be sufficient. And less error prone. And more forward compatible.


breithauptclan wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that they even tried to create an exhaustive list of spells that are compatible. Simply giving an explicitly incomplete list as an example would be sufficient. And less error prone. And more forward compatible.

Agreed. I thought it was just a list of examples the first time I read it.


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I think this is a pretty clear case of omission and potentially unfortunate wording. I personally would not read the second sentence as an exhaustive rules binding list. All of those spells you listed missing from that initial list meet the definition laid out in the first sentence of the text (they are conjuration spells which bring into a being a creature with the summoned trait) so there's no reason not to count them.

Animate Dead may be a slightly different edge case since it's necromancy, but I don't think the others are worth wasting sleep over.


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Just for completeness: the summoned trait is applied to all creatures called into being by a conjuration spell. It is implied in the school and the spell and won't be called out explicitly in the text.

Relevant rule: Conjuration


The rules explicitly state that it's any spell with that creates a creature with the summoned trait (which is all conjuration spells that summon a creature). The "these are the spells that qualify" I think is intended to just be reminder text that quickly identifies those spells for you, not an additional restriction.

They probably just made an error in making that list.

I would definitely rule that the first bit is what is the rule and that the second bit is just incomplete reminder text that has no bearing on what spells actually count.

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