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I wish all ancestries had lifespans comparable to or shorter than human lifespans. Maybe double at most for long lived ancestries. Never been keen on 800 year old elf thing.
It's definitely still more than double a human, but 800 year old elves aren't really a (common) thing in Golarion - somewhere around 600 years old is the maximum lifespan for most elves, and going by PF1 stats, they become Venerable at 350. So for the average elf you'd see out and about adventuring in the world, you'd not expect them to be close to 800 years old.

The Gleeful Grognard |

I wish all ancestries had lifespans comparable to or shorter than human lifespans. Maybe double at most for long lived ancestries. Never been keen on 800 year old elf thing.
Same, it makes i harder to justify things and keep perspective as a GM.
I've never been in a game where the lifespan for a PC mattered, so anything from "six years" to "essentially immortal" is basically the same for me.
As others have said, it is more of a perspective thing than anything else.
If a character can feesibly have lived all your past events it can be a huge burden as a GM. It also makes unreliable narrators a lot less plausible when it comes to past history events if it is too common.

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Counterpoint: Ancient Elf, the heritage that requires you to be over 100 years old, gives you just a Multiclass Dedication.
Base assumption is apparently that elves who aren't active PCs or important NPCs basically don't do anything noteworthy, don't go anywhere, and learn very little over the course of a century.
"Henlo, i am a human who has been adventuring for 3 weeks, I'm now a level 5 wizard and can lob massive magic explosions"
"I am an aged and wise elf, who has lived for centuries. My stats are actually worse than yours because im a level 1 investigator with the wizard MC. I can't quite cast magic missile."

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Counterpoint: Ancient Elf, the heritage that requires you to be over 100 years old, gives you just a Multiclass Dedication.
Base assumption is apparently that elves who aren't active PCs or important NPCs basically don't do anything noteworthy, don't go anywhere, and learn very little over the course of a century."Henlo, i am a human who has been adventuring for 3 weeks, I'm now a level 5 wizard and can lob massive magic explosions"
"I am an aged and wise elf, who has lived for centuries. My stats are actually worse than yours because im a level 1 investigator with the wizard MC. I can't quite cast magic missile."
Simple explanation, "I used to be pretty good with a sword, but I put it up over 20 years ago and haven't really touched it since". Leveling up now is just relearning things that I have forgotten. Or, I never cast those high level spells anymore and I am really rusty, I would have to work on the concepts again: This is rather similar to having learned Calc I - III, but not using them for 20 yrs, so not remembering any of it.
Nightfox

Castilliano |

TiwazBlackhand wrote:Counterpoint: Ancient Elf, the heritage that requires you to be over 100 years old, gives you just a Multiclass Dedication.
Base assumption is apparently that elves who aren't active PCs or important NPCs basically don't do anything noteworthy, don't go anywhere, and learn very little over the course of a century."Henlo, i am a human who has been adventuring for 3 weeks, I'm now a level 5 wizard and can lob massive magic explosions"
"I am an aged and wise elf, who has lived for centuries. My stats are actually worse than yours because im a level 1 investigator with the wizard MC. I can't quite cast magic missile."
Simple explanation, "I used to be pretty good with a sword, but I put it up over 20 years ago and haven't really touched it since". Leveling up now is just relearning things that I have forgotten. Or, I never cast those high level spells anymore and I am really rusty, I would have to work on the concepts again: This is rather similar to having learned Calc I - III, but not using them for 20 yrs, so not remembering any of it.
Nightfox
Right? Some of the other Elf abilities align with that thinking, that they have troves of lost info, yet some with practice can retrieve it or even adapt physiologically.
Plus PCs are the only ones leveling up so swiftly; the fated, the chosen, the elite, the protagonists!!!Veterans of wars might only have a few levels despite many battles. Or they might have many if the narrative needs that!

AlastarOG |

I find this can add to the character's backstory.
One of the agents in my agents of edgewatch game was a 248 year old elf tiefling fire elemental bloodline sorcerer.
She was a gorgeous fiery redhead who was a socialite and would indulge in seducing young human men over the centuries and then seducing their descendants to see if the ''lineage had improved over time''
It made the character interesting, and made framing her even easier when Regie looked into it cause its easily twistable into being an ''Ageless sexual predator''