Do you wield your own mouth?

[Lethallin]

Leaning heavily towards "no" on this, but would like some confirmation.

If you are a Cleric with deadly simplicity, you have a 1d6 Jaws attack, and your deity's favored weapon is Jaws, does it go up to 1d8?

No seems most likely, as there's a special stipulation in Deadly simplicity about it only affecting unarmed attacks that are smaller than 1d6, otherwise you would need to be 'wielding your deity's favored weapon', which you can't do with your own face.

A player just wants to play a biter, and is looking for every advantage they can get!

[Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich]

I would say that you are wielding your own mouth (because why not?), for the purpose of rules. However, as you pointed out, the die size has to be smaller than d6 for it to raise.

Those rules said, the GM has full reign to say that it does work anyway.

[Guntermench]

Deadly Simplicity wrote:

If your deity’s favored weapon is an unarmed attack (such as a fist, if you worship Irori) and its damage die is smaller than d6, instead increase its damage die size to d6.

Your jaws are an unarmed attack. You wield weapons and items in your hands, and unarmed attacks are never weapons.

Wielding Items wrote:

Some abilities require you to wield an item, typically a weapon. You're wielding an item any time you're holding it in the number of hands needed to use it effectively.

Unarmed Attacks wrote:

However, unarmed attacks aren’t weapons, and effects and abilities that work with weapons never work with unarmed attacks unless they specifically say so.

[Mathmuse]

Guntermench wrote:

Deadly Simplicity wrote:

If your deity’s favored weapon is an unarmed attack (such as a fist, if you worship Irori) and its damage die is smaller than d6, instead increase its damage die size to d6.

Your jaws are an unarmed attack. You wield weapons and items in your hands, and unarmed attacks are never weapons.

Deadly Simplicity also applies to unarmed attacks, but not to unarmed attacks that deal 1d6 or more damage.

PF2 Core Rulebook, Cleric, page 121 wrote:

Deadly Simplicity Feat 1

Cleric
Prerequisites deity with a simple or unarmed attack favored weapon, trained with your deity's favored weapon

Your deity’s weapon is especially powerful in your hands. When you are wielding your deity’s favored weapon, increase the damage die size of that weapon by one step. If your deity’s favored weapon is an unarmed attack (such as a fist, if you worship Irori) and its damage die is smaller than d6, instead increase its damage die size to d6.

[Guntermench]

That's the part I quoted, yes.

[Taja the Barbarian]

Mathmuse wrote:

Guntermench wrote:

Deadly Simplicity wrote:

If your deity’s favored weapon is an unarmed attack (such as a fist, if you worship Irori) and its damage die is smaller than d6, instead increase its damage die size to d6.

Your jaws are an unarmed attack. You wield weapons and items in your hands, and unarmed attacks are never weapons.

Deadly Simplicity also applies to unarmed attacks, but not to unarmed attacks that deal 1d6 or more damage.

PF2 Core Rulebook, Cleric, page 121 wrote:

Deadly Simplicity Feat 1

Cleric
Prerequisites deity with a simple or unarmed attack favored weapon, trained with your deity's favored weapon

Your deity’s weapon is especially powerful in your hands. When you are wielding your deity’s favored weapon, increase the damage die size of that weapon by one step. If your deity’s favored weapon is an unarmed attack (such as a fist, if you worship Irori) and its damage die is smaller than d6, instead increase its damage die size to d6.

Correct:

• If your deity's favored weapon is an actual weapon, it's damage die increases one step when you are wielding it.
• If your deity's favored weapon is an unarmed attack with a damage die smaller than 1d6, its damage die becomes 1d6 for you.

If your deity's favored weapon is an unarmed attack (like a bite) with a 1d6 or greater damage die, you gain no benefit from this feat.

[Tender Tendrils]

If the player wants to play a biter, animal barbarian is their best bet - they can get a 1d10 jaws attack that also gets rage damage at level 1 (that goes to to 1d12 at level 7). These attacks also have other traits (like trip and grapple) depending on which animal you choose, and do benefit from handwraps of mighty blows so you can get runes to apply to your jaws attack.

Barbarian also has a lot of other features and feats that benefit being in melee which clerics simply don't have.