Vigilante : Social Purview

[Waldham]

Hello, I have a question about Social Purview.

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You have built a reputation for yourself in your social identity. Choose one archetype that you meet the prerequisites for. You gain that archetype's dedication feat and can select feats from that archetype, even if you haven't yet gained enough feats in the vigilante archetype to take another dedication feat. These feats become part of your social identity and gain the social trait.

So I choose a rogue vigilante that take the Cavalier Dedication as his social identity.

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if you are pledged to a Hellknight order, you could take Hellknight dedication feats without needing to gain other feats from the cavalier archetype first.

So I can take feats from HellKnight/Armiger, Signifier Archetype to continue my social identity as cavalier ?

Thanks for your future answer.

[breithauptclan]

Vigilante is a strange archetype. It is really good for flavor and character building in that direction (practically required for re-creating various comic book heroes). It isn't very powerful for game mechanics.

As for your actual question, I think that Hellknight Armiger and Hellnight Signifier are referencing the base Hellknight archetype. Not Cavalier.

[breithauptclan]

Hmm... Actually, looking at the feat levels, I think I have that backwards. The Hellknight archetype is an extension of the other two.

Finding your quote in the Cavalier dedication. So yes, it looks like you could take the Hellknight archetypes before paying off the Cavalier archetype.

[Michael Sayre]

Waldham wrote:

Hello, I have a question about Social Purview.

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You have built a reputation for yourself in your social identity. Choose one archetype that you meet the prerequisites for. You gain that archetype's dedication feat and can select feats from that archetype, even if you haven't yet gained enough feats in the vigilante archetype to take another dedication feat. These feats become part of your social identity and gain the social trait.

So I choose a rogue vigilante that take the Cavalier Dedication as his social identity.

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if you are pledged to a Hellknight order, you could take Hellknight dedication feats without needing to gain other feats from the cavalier archetype first.

So I can take feats from HellKnight/Armiger, Signifier Archetype to continue my social identity as cavalier ?

Thanks for your future answer.

Cavalier Dedication specifically allows you to take Hellknight dedications before you've taken all of your cavalier feats to fulfill the archetype requirements, so you could use Social Purview at 4th level to take a Cavalier dedication. The trick, though, is that you still need one more vigilante feat to take Hellknight Armiger Dedication; Cavalier waives the restriction from its own dedication and Social Purview waives the restriction from Vigilante Dedication for Cavalier Dedication, but there's nothing waiving the restriction from the vigilante dedication for hellknight armiger.

So if you wanted all three dedications, the fastest way to do that would be to take Vigilante Dedication at 2nd, and then take Social Purview and either Hidden Magic or Minion Guise at 4th (since Hidden Magic and Minion Guise are both skill feats, they pull from your skill feat bucket and can be taken at the same time as the class feat for Social Purview; Hidden Magic is probably the most broadly applicable one of the two), using Social Purview to take Cavalier Dedication. Now that you've checked off the "at least two archetype feats" requirement of the Vigilante Dedication, you're clear to use the waiver from Cavalier Dedication to take Hellknight Armiger as your 6th level feat.

[Perpdepog]

You also have to find some way to be proficient in heavy armor, too, since it's not something you know how to use as a rogue. It shouldn't be too hard to do, depending on racket. A thug could theoretically get the required proficiency by level 3, though it wouldn't scale with your native rogue armor proficiency increases.

[Onkonk]

Perpdepog wrote:

You also have to find some way to be proficient in heavy armor, too, since it's not something you know how to use as a rogue. It shouldn't be too hard to do, depending on racket. A thug could theoretically get the required proficiency by level 3, though it wouldn't scale with your native rogue armor proficiency increases.

There is a feat however at level 12 from the Hellknight Archetype that gives you expert proficiency in Heavy Armor.

[Waldham]

As the Hellkinght Armiger/Signifer has the following prerequisites :

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Prerequisites

member of a Hellknight Order; trained in heavy armor as well as your order's favored weapon

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spellcasting class feature; Hellknight Armiger Dedication; lawful alignment; member of a Hellknight Order; passed the Hellknight Test
Access You are from Old Cheliax.

Do Social purview permit to obtain the archetype without requirement ?

[Michael Sayre]

Waldham wrote:

As the Hellkinght Armiger/Signifer has the following prerequisites :

Quote:

Prerequisites

member of a Hellknight Order; trained in heavy armor as well as your order's favored weapon

or

spellcasting class feature; Hellknight Armiger Dedication; lawful alignment; member of a Hellknight Order; passed the Hellknight Test
Access You are from Old Cheliax.

Do Social purview permit to obtain the archetype without requirement ?

Social Purview wrote:

You have built a reputation for yourself in your social identity. Choose one archetype that you meet the prerequisites for. You gain that archetype's dedication feat and can select feats from that archetype, even if you haven't yet gained enough feats in the vigilante archetype to take another dedication feat. These feats become part of your social identity and gain the social trait—for instance, a fighter vigilante could take the wizard dedication feat and have a wizard social identity. Using these feats in your social identity doesn't risk exposing your vigilante identity, but using them in your vigilante identity could put you at risk for exposure.

Still gotta meet the prereqs.

[Perpdepog]

Onkonk wrote:

Perpdepog wrote:

You also have to find some way to be proficient in heavy armor, too, since it's not something you know how to use as a rogue. It shouldn't be too hard to do, depending on racket. A thug could theoretically get the required proficiency by level 3, though it wouldn't scale with your native rogue armor proficiency increases.

There is a feat however at level 12 from the Hellknight Archetype that gives you expert proficiency in Heavy Armor.

True, though it sadly doesn't let you go up to Master with said proficiency. It's a problem you mostly see on other martials without full armor profs since casters max their armor at Expert anyway.