One backdoor to become your wanted creature

[Laclale♪]

1. Get Philosopher's Extractor(PE).

2. Use PE to make 2 transmogrifying mutagen. One must be from a sizable portion of your wanted creature and another one for doing "Additional benefits".

3. Find any creature that can make auto-fail to flat check(ex. Bone croupier).

4. Drink a transmogrifying mutagen that's not from a sizable portion of your wanted creature. 1 hour time limit starts here.

> Drinking a transmogrifying mutagen imparts you with one of the creature’s unique abilities for 1 hour.

5. Make sure next flat check goes auto-fail. This is important.

> However, these additional benefits come with a risk; if you drink a transmogrifying mutagen while at least one other is active, after drinking it, you must succeed at a flat check with a DC equal to the total number of active transmogrifying mutagens you’ve consumed.

6. Drink a transmogrifying mutagen that's from a sizable portion of your wanted creature while next flat check is auto-fail. 1 hour time limit is required to trigger that check.

> On a failure, you fully transform into a member of the species of the latest transmogrifying mutagen you drank, and you almost always go berserk from your change.

7. Done.

[Cordell Kintner]

This is not a rules question...

[Laclale♪]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

This is not a rules question...

I know. But channel's name says Discussion. Question is just included.

[HammerJack]

When step one is to acquire a level 28 artifact and step three is "acquire a creature that we know is not supposed to be Common and is on the "if we ever errata an AP book" list, meaning that it would be crazy to allow summoning one, I'm not sure how much there is worth having.

[Claxon]

Remember one of the primary rules of the game. If you think you've found a loop hole, you haven't.

The GM isn't supposed to allow these sorts of unintended shenanigans.

Of course, if the GM lets you have a level 28 artifact, they should know what they're asking for.

[Cordell Kintner]

Laclale♪ wrote:

Cordell Kintner wrote:

This is not a rules question...

I know. But channel's name says Discussion. Question is just included.

Even then, you're not discussing rules, you're just proposing a way to do something. Which as others have pointed out, is extremely unlikely to work.

This is like saying: Here's a quick tip to live forever, just find the Fountain of Youth and bathe in it every day!

[Nefreet]

Is this like the PF2 version of Pun-Pun?

[graystone]

Nefreet wrote:

Is this like the PF2 version of Pun-Pun?

If pun-pun required a rare 28th level artifact to get to step #1...

[Laclale♪]

graystone wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Is this like the PF2 version of Pun-Pun?

If pun-pun required a rare 28th level artifact to get to step #1...

What's Pun-Pun?

[Claxon]

It was a build that some argued "legally" allowed you to become a god because of loop holes in the way the various rules it used were written.

[Nefreet]

Laclale♪ wrote:

graystone wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Is this like the PF2 version of Pun-Pun?

If pun-pun required a rare 28th level artifact to get to step #1...

What's Pun-Pun?

Google "Pun-Pun Kobold"

[Laclale♪]

Nefreet wrote:

Laclale♪ wrote:

graystone wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Is this like the PF2 version of Pun-Pun?

If pun-pun required a rare 28th level artifact to get to step #1...

What's Pun-Pun?

Google "Pun-Pun Kobold"

I tried.

Rewriten from DnD wiki wrote:

There are potential problems with this mutagen (and auto-fail in flat-check), but this thread shall remain as-is as a piece of much-discussed Pathfinder history, and as a warning about the unpredictable nature of giving PCs access to a monster's features. Yes freedom of creation!

[Zapp]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

This is not a rules question...

Perhaps it is a NSFW question... :)

[Nefreet]

NSFPF

[Laclale♪]

Nefreet wrote:

NSFPF

James said "There is no official rule to control monster by Player for 2e". Period.

[Ravingdork]

Laclale♪ wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

NSFPF

James said "There is no official rule to control monster by Player for 2e". Period.

Summon monster spells. Period.

Use a level 5 animate dead spell to summon your bone croupier, and have it use its abilities on your behalf. Easy peasy.

Sure the GM can neuter every summoning spell ever by simply saying "no," but if you manage to find a GM that allows access to a level 28 artifact, I'm thinking that's not likely to be much of an issue.