The former is playing to about 50% of the global total theater audience vs the latter one which will play to the full suite.
It doesn't matter how much of the audience it isn't playing to, with the audience it currently has it is the #9 film in the world. You incorrectly claimed it was the #1 and then flailed your way into this argument in an attempt to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat.
You were talking about Domestic Box Office, it's okay to say you were talking about Domestic Box Office and hadn't looked at worldwide box office.
Inventing some fantasy math where the unknowable number of potential Chinese ticket sales, if they had existed, would have catapulted this from from #9 to #1 thus allowing you to remain correct is a bit much even for you.
Yeah I'm with dirtypool here, the Chinese box office has become less important due to crack down by the CCP about what movies can and can't show. I mean hell, the top movie in China NOW is about what happened during the Korean War....
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It is very difficult to adequately assess a different nation's film rankings when one does not accept any data from said nation as accurate.
Any numbers out of China are a lie - either directly fabricated or indirectly skewed by banning/editing or quasi-required viewing.
Which is unrelated to Shang Chi since it isn’t playing there. Thus it is in 6th place with the numbers available - which do not include China.
It's next to impossible to compare movies with China in the mix.... but comparing the global take of movies when some play in China and some don't is truly pointless.
You didn’t think it was “truly pointless” when you brought it up in the other thread. Pointless when it hurts your argument, vital when it helps your argument, all a smokescreen for the fact that you didn’t bother to look beyond domestic box office and declared that Shang Chi is doing better than it actually is.
Bottom line: at least Dune will be playing in China and will therefore bank more box office than any other movie this year except for F9*. OTOH people will be talking about Dune for years to come and F9 is already "wut?".
And again your inconsistency creeps in. Truly pointless to compare global box office, but Dune is playing in China so global box office matters.
If it doesn’t matter for Shang Chi, then it doesn’t matter for Dune.
Shifting sand.
Indeed it is, Tristan, and not just in the movie either it appears.
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Shang-Chi is 6th Worldwide for the year without it so is it really necessary?
I had no idea Quark Blast meant Pivot Master. But hey you learn new stuff all the time.
What about Godzilla Vs Kong, also higher than Shang-Chi?
I guess every rule has 2 exceptions.
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I'm not arguing over such trivia. I'm pointing out that you called Shang Chi the #1 Grossing movie, someone pointed out that you were wrong and you then staged a three day long temper tantrum where you moved the goalpost over and over and over rather than just admitting that you were wrong.
You condescended to anyone who tried to counter your completely made up arguments with facts, and made personal attacks. That's why your stuff was deleted.
You were wrong about what you said, you were called out as wrong, you're still wrong and no amount of flinging mud around in here will change that fact.
It's #6, not #1.
Dirtypool is correct, while Godzilla verus Kong does have a larger intake than Shang-Chi worldwide, Shang-chi is a) still in theaters exclusively and b) clearly making more money than GvK.
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The factual accuracy of comments you made is not trivia. No one will think less of you if you just acknowledge you were wrong and move forward from there.
This constant state of being on the attack to defend yourself and prove yourself correct at all cost must be exhausting, and you do not have to keep doing it.
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No one will think less of you if you just acknowledge you were wrong and move forward from there.
Actually, I think a great many of us would think much, much more highly of him if he did that.
He is the classic example of somebody who is his own worst enemy. He actually does fairly often have interesting things to say and quotes some interesting sources. But his utter refusal to be even the slightest bit intellectually honest makes discussions with him frustrating and causes people to mostly just ignore him.
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A note to everyone: these threads would be so much better if you'd all try to get along. Regardless of which side of a given argument you stand from, please all try to be gentlemen and ladies in the way you try to communicate with each other. We're all fans of the same things, which is why we hang out together on these boards. Thank you in advance, as I know we - including myself - can and will do better.
Regards,
PDK
*Imagine whatever sarcastic gif you feel appropriate*
All I know is Wenwu is now and all time, the true Mandarin. That is all.
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Just saw it on Disney+ and it was...fine. I was expecting it to be better than it was, despite having a few nice minor surprises, and some really good action sequences. But my biggest complaint was that the heroes were incredibly passive and reactive. They didn't do a lot proactive at all, but were following the plot of Wenwu. In many ways, this movie should have been called just The Legend of the Ten Rings or Wenwu and the Legend of the Ten Rings. He was the protagonist who actually drove the plot and narrative.
I was also a bit surprised that this movie didn't really have the same mix of humor and action most MCU movies do. There was humor, but 100% from side characters. Even one of the more humorless superheroes out there, Captain America has some nice subtle funny lines in his movies.
I know this is a super minority opinion, even blasphemy, but I vastly preferred the Netflix Iron Fist over Shang-Chi, despite the martial arts not being as good (and I don't think they were bad as many do, just not impressively amazing in season 1). Part of that is that IF had a richer plot simply because it had more time to tell it, but even condensed, it was more interesting of a plot.
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I'm with Tri on this. While yes, Shang-Chi wasn't totally in charge, he did do some major pwnage of his own. I also didn't think Shang-chi didn't need to be humorous or even funny. I just think he needed to be bad ass. Which he was. I know for some, Iron Fist was better (or at least for Joel) but honestly I enjoyed this. Also Wenwu is my definitive take for the MCU Mandarin.
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I finally got around to watching this movie yesterday. It was pretty good. Maybe not the best Marvel movie, but I think it was a great addition.
I liked seeing Abomination and Wong. A non-Hulk Bruce was...interesting. The fight sequences were pretty good, but I thought they could have been better. I found the Katy character to be annoying. Loved seeing Michelle Yeoh. I was only slightly disappointed the Dweller in Darkness didn't havr an appearance closer to his comic book one. I liked the way they redesigned the Rings to be something similar to what's used in martial arts training.
I'm glad the Ten Rings was made to be something that can compete on a global scale as bad guys. I think they came off better here than in the original Iron Man. Hopefully, they won't make the same mistake they did with Hydra, by overusing them. Maybe this means they also have some future work planned to rehabilitate A.I.M. after the crapfest that was Iron Man 3.
And I look forward to (hopefully) seeing Shang Chi be an Avenger. That would be cool.
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Watched half of it yesterday with my kids. We thought the bus scene at the beginning was cool, but then there's a huge boring lull for the next hour, and much snack grabbing, walking around, and playing with the dog in the living room happened. Then my youngest said, "Can we go to bed? this movie is boring..." This was around the time where Pokemons started showing in the movie... it left even my youngest fairly unimpressed, despite being the assumed target audience demographic. Tonight we resumed our regular schedule of LotR viewing with the first half of "Return of the King."
I think I'll be watching the second half of Shang-Chi tonight on my own...
Wow. You have a tough crowd there PDK. I honestly thought the second and third parts of the movie were great.
A-zombie,
With regard to the Dweller, I just consider it a label more than the definitive take. I mean we haven't seen Nightmare yet right? So maybe he and the rest of the Fear Lords show up later.
Also yes, I think the Ten Rings MIGHT be the new threat (international) the MCU needs.
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Watched half of it yesterday with my kids. We thought the bus scene at the beginning was cool, but then there's a huge boring lull for the next hour, and much snack grabbing, walking around, and playing with the dog in the living room happened. Then my youngest said, "Can we go to bed? this movie is boring..." This was around the time where Pokemons started showing in the movie... it left even my youngest fairly unimpressed, despite being the assumed target audience demographic. Tonight we resumed our regular schedule of LotR viewing with the first half of "Return of the King."
I think I'll be watching the second half of Shang-Chi tonight on my own...
My boy is 10, and I couldn't even get him interested in watching.
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Huh. I thought 40 year olds who grew up reading the comics in the 80s were the target demographic.
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I mean maybe??? I thought the target audience was people that like Kung Fu movies...
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Speaking of the magical creatures - I thought they were pretty cool for the most part, especially the Foo Lions and the blue green scaled horse antelope things. It was also cool seeing Kitsune in the background, but was expecting more of them than just background. The water dragon was sweet how it moved and fought, it felt very different from your typical dragon in movies or TV.
As cool as the dragon was though, I again felt that I was watching the final fight between the dragon and Dweller in Darkness, with Shang-Chi being his (her?) cute human helper - more like the humans in Transformers. Not a good look for the hero of the movie to be outshone by a creature which I don't think even got a name in the movie.
Finally, what the hell were the furry butt creatures supposed to be? They looked like the belonged in Doom Patrol more than Shang-Chi.
I mean it might not be great for Shang-Chi in terms of fighting the bad guy...but considering her fought his dad pretty much on his own, not terrible. Plus, you know, dragons are cool.
I have/had no idea what the creatures but thanks to the magic of wikipedia, they say it's a Hundun (which kind of weirds me out since 1e PF Hunduns are more...not nice.)
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I liked it.
I particularly liked that the "end of the universe" aspect of the plot was pretty much a tack on, and most of the movie focused on the characters' family dynamics.
The two monsters fighting at the end could have been an interesting metaphor, but it needed to be set up better. I can see the outline of it existing, but it isn't reinforced or set up well.
I liked the subtler fight. While it wasn't a direct reference, the fight between Shang-chi and Jiang-nan reminded me of this fight. The Marvel movie didn't give it enough time to develop IMO. It's not as big or flashy as most action scenes, and I can see why they wouldn't necessarily do that. The MCU is more about spectacle. The smaller intimate fight was cool, and more time with Michelle Yeoh on screen is always better IMO.
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Speaking of the magical creatures - I thought they were pretty cool for the most part....
Yeah, I loved the magical creatures. I wouldn't mind seeing more of those bad ass lions in a future movie.
And, of course, more Trevor Slattery and Morris. Those two were a high point of the movie for me.
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I mean maybe??? I thought the target audience was people that like Kung Fu movies...
That too. I felt like my friends who were really into Jackie Chan would like the movie.
Speaking of the magical creatures - I thought they were pretty cool for the most part, especially the Foo Lions and the blue green scaled horse antelope things.
Ki-rin, I believe.
It was also cool seeing Kitsune in the background, but was expecting more of them than just background. The water dragon was sweet how it moved and fought, it felt very different from your typical dragon in movies or TV.
As cool as the dragon was though, I again felt that I was watching the final fight between the dragon and Dweller in Darkness, with Shang-Chi being his (her?) cute human helper - more like the humans in Transformers. Not a good look for the hero of the movie to be outshone by a creature which I don't think even got a name in the movie.
That's a fair point, and Irontruth points out that there's an attempt at metaphor there that was not clear. I felt like I was with Shang-Chi more than the dragon, but I can definitely see what you're saying there and yeah, the spectacle supercedes the hero's journey for a moment.
Finally, what the hell were the furry butt creatures supposed to be? They looked like the belonged in Doom Patrol more than Shang-Chi.
Doom Patrol/MCU crossover confirmed! That's why they changed Ms. Marvel's powers, they didn't want her to be too much like Elastiwoman.
(Please note to those who take all text on the Internet literally, that I am being very silly here.)
DQ,
(I assumed you were being silly about the Hundun) Considering that they stole/used the bus scene fight in the same way Jackie did in a movie I can't remember, I'd say yes.
Also A-zombie is correct, Trevor and Morris need to start doing more acting together.