Gun Chemist Alchemical Ordnance

[tearnImale]

I may just be reading it wrong, but does the gun chemist's alchemical ordnance not allow a reflex save for half? I know it calls out saving throws for things attached to AO, but I fell as though it implies that there's no save, which is OP in my opinion.

The archetype: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/archetypes/paizo-al chemist-archetypes/gun-chemist-alchemist-archetype/

[Heather 540]

No, it doesn't allow for a saving throw for half damage. It's a modification to a basic attack. Only extra stuff from discoveries would have saving throws attached to them.

[Firebug]

For comparison, the regular alchemist's bomb also doesn't allow a reflex for half... to the primary target. And Alchemical Ordinance is basically just the primary target part tacked onto an attack with a firearm.

It is worth noting that the free action to infuse the ammo is taken when the firearm is reloaded. Meaning, if they start combat with a loaded firearm, they are not able to use Alchemical Ordinance until they reload. And if combat ends after they used the action to infuse but didn't fire, they lose that usage.

[tearnImale]

Firebug wrote:

For comparison, the regular alchemist's bomb also doesn't allow a reflex for half... to the primary target. And Alchemical Ordinance is basically just the primary target part tacked onto an attack with a firearm.

It is worth noting that the free action to infuse the ammo is taken when the firearm is reloaded. Meaning, if they start combat with a loaded firearm, they are not able to use Alchemical Ordinance until they reload. And if combat ends after they used the action to infuse but didn't fire, they lose that usage.

Huh. Guess alchemists are pretty good (until they run out of bombs).

[Firebug]

Ish. Bomb damage isn't really comparable to Caster damage, and is more limited. As a 6-list 'caster' though it's pretty good because they can do a lot of things and have a few fun tricks. And can make sure (other than nat 1s) that they do something (look at sand bomb, save is only on the splash).

My level 20 PFS alchemist eventually was the 'tank' as it were, with near untouchable AC in mithril hellknight plate with the ability to step back and Mass Heal the party via scrolls. You can almost always contribute until Karzog Disjunctions you after Wishing the rest of the party(because I saved) to the Plane of Fire. I wasn't a Gun-chemist, but was actually a Grenadier. I used Explosive Missile, which is a similar trick to Alchemical Ordinance, along with a Conductive (Composite, Adaptive)Longbow with Tangleshot or Dye arrows to still target Touch AC. I didn't use it often, as I was a Melee-type alchemist, but it was nice to be able to drop 20d6 +a bunch a couple times per day as a standard action.