Sorcerer spells known


Rules Questions


Other than the obvious (get more levels): What ways can Sorcerers learn new spells?


They can retrain known spells, but if you mean having more total known spells:

Human Favored Class Bonus
Ring of Spell Knowledge
Expanded Arcana feat
Arcane Bloodline power: New Arcana (Ex) (9th level)
Veiled Illusionist prestige class

Those are the ones that come to mind


Pages of Spell Knowledge as well.
Spell Lattices are roughly the same, not quite as good for a sorcerer but close enough.
Other races have similar FCBs, if sometimes more focused.
There might be a couple more feats for specific spells.

I don't remember if VMCing into Oracle or Witch would allow you to get spells from the curse/patron.

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If you reach level 20 and you're *really* desperate for more spell knowns, one of the alternate capstones is just that. Maybe the one way to get more 9th level spells ?


While it's lost a little of its oomph due to FAQ, the paragon surge spell used to gain the expanded arcana feat still works. It's just that you're limited to the same spell until a new day dawns rather than being able to change it freely.

A cracked orange prism ioun stone gets you an extra cantrip.

A mnemonic vestment lets you cast a spell if you have it on a scroll or in a spellbook using your own spell slot. 1/day but still very useful.


Nyerkh wrote:

Pages of Spell Knowledge as well.

Spell Lattices are roughly the same, not quite as good for a sorcerer but close enough.
Other races have similar FCBs, if sometimes more focused.
There might be a couple more feats for specific spells.

I don't remember if VMCing into Oracle or Witch would allow you to get spells from the curse/patron.

...
If you reach level 20 and you're *really* desperate for more spell knowns, one of the alternate capstones is just that. Maybe the one way to get more 9th level spells ?

Spell Lattice actually is an interesting choice for the character as he is a Sorcerer/arcanist so the slightly different effects both applying is interesting to me.


Nyerkh wrote:

Pages of Spell Knowledge as well.

Spell Lattices are roughly the same, not quite as good for a sorcerer but close enough.
Other races have similar FCBs, if sometimes more focused.
There might be a couple more feats for specific spells.

I don't remember if VMCing into Oracle or Witch would allow you to get spells from the curse/patron.

...
If you reach level 20 and you're *really* desperate for more spell knowns, one of the alternate capstones is just that. Maybe the one way to get more 9th level spells ?

Do the pages and spell lattices have to be held?


Pages of Spell Knowledge have to be on your person, but not held in hand.
Spell Lattices have to be held in hand.

I don't know why these items have such silly differences written into them, instead of just having cosmetic differences. For these reasons the Pages of Spell Knowledge are superior to Spell Lattices in every aspect, except that they can't hold arcanist spells or psychic spells [since they didn't exist at the time the Pages were added as items].

So only use the lattice when playing as an arcanist, psychic caster, or arcane/divine multiclass caster. Or as a follower of Yuelral, because it's stylish using gems.


Theaitetos wrote:

Pages of Spell Knowledge have to be on your person, but not held in hand.

Spell Lattices have to be held in hand.

I don't know why these items have such silly differences written into them, instead of just having cosmetic differences. For these reasons the Pages of Spell Knowledge are superior to Spell Lattices in every aspect, except that they can't hold arcanist spells or psychic spells [since they didn't exist at the time the Pages were added as items].

So only use the lattice when playing as an arcanist, psychic caster, or arcane/divine multiclass caster. Or as a follower of Yuelral, because it's stylish using gems.

Considering things, the expanded capabilities of the lattice over the pages with the extra "cost" of taking up a free hand makes sense to me. I know it is pretty fringe, but the lattice on my character is in some ways a better deal as he is both a sorcerer and an arcanist (thus getting the spell on 2 lists at the same time at the cost of one hand). however I will probably go with the page instead

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