Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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I haven't purchased the World Traveler boon yet, but I was wondering if I can apply it to a new character with no XP so during character creation so I can fulfill both regional conditions?
For example, could I use it on a Hobgoblin so that he can be from Oprak as the boon requires, but he can choose a background from anywhere else I want? Or would it only apply after I make my character fully?
Also side note, does anyone know if Secondary Initiation would be available for ACP once the conversion is done? Not getting fame anymore kinda ruined my character idea.
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Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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Yea it was added long ago for 20 points. I just don't want to buy it and find out the boon explicitly restricts that. I wish we could see what the boon's text was before using ACP. Like for Esoteric Spellcaster I took a gamble on buying it hoping Protection would be an option, which it was thankfully.
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. . . but he can choose a background from anywhere else I want?
I was looking at this recently to see if I needed to rebuild. Most backgrounds from Rule and Lost Omen books are Common and have no prerequisite. So you can take any Common background. The regional backgrounds are Common and have no prerequisite. If you're looking at AoN, the "Region" header is the site's own addition, probably for sorting. The book simply states these backgrounds are "particularly suitable" for characters from a given region--not restricted.
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Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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. . . but he can choose a background from anywhere else I want?I was looking at this recently to see if I needed to rebuild. Most backgrounds from Rule and Lost Omen books are Common and have no prerequisite. So you can take any Common background. The regional backgrounds are Common and have no prerequisite. If you're looking at AoN, the "Region" header is the site's own addition, probably for sorting. The book simply states these backgrounds are "particularly suitable" for characters from a given region--not restricted.
That is indeed an interesting revelation. I was always under the assumption anything under the relevant sections of the World Guide required you to be from that region for access.
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Note that all characters come with a home region...
Home Region
This is also the stage at which you should choose your character’s home region (Core Rulebook 420-429), and in the case of human characters, your ethnicity. (Core Rulebook 430-431). Home regions fulfill Access requirements and prerequisites for character options. See Rarity for more information.
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Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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Note that all characters come with a home region...
Home Region
This is also the stage at which you should choose your character’s home region (Core Rulebook 420-429), and in the case of human characters, your ethnicity. (Core Rulebook 430-431). Home regions fulfill Access requirements and prerequisites for character options. See Rarity for more information.
Yea but Hobgoblins have to be from Oprak which isn't in the region I want access to. I was just wondering if there was an order of operations with the boon before I purchase it.
Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku
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Yea but Hobgoblins have to be from Oprak which isn't in the region I want access to. I was just wondering if there was an order of operations with the boon before I purchase it.Note that all characters come with a home region...
Home Region
This is also the stage at which you should choose your character’s home region (Core Rulebook 420-429), and in the case of human characters, your ethnicity. (Core Rulebook 430-431). Home regions fulfill Access requirements and prerequisites for character options. See Rarity for more information.
I don't think this is true.
The boon does say that "The hobgoblins of Oprak are..." and that "You can play a hobgoblin characterfrom Oprak." but that doesn't seem like a prerequisite or access requirement, more like a justification for why hobgoblins are allowed in the society at all. Your Hobgoblin could be originally from Oprak but there Lost Omen's World Guide says that the"The following backgrounds are particularly suitable for characters from the Absalom region." (for example on Absalom related backgrounds) - none of those backgrounds actually list absalom region as a prerequisite or reguirement either.
I mean, it'll would take some explaining to have it make sense, but maybe your Hobgoblin's parents went to Absalom as emissaries and you grew up there, or something.
Further, the blog about character options say that
"If your character is of mixed ethnicity or comes from multiple regions of origin, then for the purposes of game balance, you choose one ethnicity and one region of origin that your character can use to satisfy prerequisite and access conditions for character options. This affects only the character options you can select, and in no way limits your character’s identity or story."
- It would seem like your hobgoblin (from Oprak because all society hobgoblins come from there) could have spent some time in Absalom (because you wanted Child of the Puddles background or something) but since neither of those have a region requirement for access, you could -still- decide that you've also spent time in the River Kingdoms because you want to access a "river kingdoms only" archetype or something. However, having been from Absalom or Oprak wouldn't, in this case, allow you to fullfil access conditions that require those two regions, because you chose River Kingdoms as your home region.
Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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Yea but Hobgoblins have to be from Oprak which isn't in the region I want access to. I was just wondering if there was an order of operations with the boon before I purchase it.Note that all characters come with a home region...
Home Region
This is also the stage at which you should choose your character’s home region (Core Rulebook 420-429), and in the case of human characters, your ethnicity. (Core Rulebook 430-431). Home regions fulfill Access requirements and prerequisites for character options. See Rarity for more information.
Got any horizon hunter characters? If you can get the Capstone boon before they go away...
World Traveler
slotless
Prerequisites Horizon Hunters Tier 4
Cost 8 Fame
Your journeys have taken you far, and Pathfinders who follow in your footsteps benefit from your breadth of experience. Select 1 of your Pathfinder Society characters with 12 or fewer XP. That character can simultaneously benefit from two copies of the Home Region boon.
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Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku
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"You can play a hobgoblin character from Oprak."
It' seems pretty clear.
You can play a hobgoblin. And your home region is automatically Oprak.
It doesn't say that your home region is Oprak, and if you check the part I quoted from the character options blog, it directly says that your character can come from multiple regions of origin but "you choose one ethnicity and one region of origin that your character can use to satisfy prerequisite and access conditions for character options. Neither the race nor the background has a prereq or access condition that would require you to pick Oprak as your home region.
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Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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I don't think this is true.
The boon does say that "The hobgoblins of Oprak are..." and that "You can play a hobgoblin character from Oprak." but that doesn't seem like a prerequisite or access requirement, more like a justification for why hobgoblins are allowed in the society at all. Your Hobgoblin could be originally from Oprak but there Lost Omen's World Guide says that the
"The following backgrounds are particularly suitable for characters from the Absalom region." (for example on Absalom related backgrounds) - none of those backgrounds actually list Absalom region as a prerequisite or requirement either.I mean, it'll would take some explaining to have it make sense, but maybe your Hobgoblin's parents went to Absalom as emissaries and you grew up there, or something.
Further, the blog about character options say that
"If your character is of mixed ethnicity or comes from multiple regions of origin, then for the purposes of game balance, you choose one ethnicity and one region of origin that your character can use to satisfy prerequisite and access conditions for character options. This affects only the character options you can select, and in no way limits your character’s identity or story."
- It would seem like your hobgoblin (from Oprak because all society hobgoblins come from there) could have spent some time in...
The boon says this on the page before buying it:
Build a player character with the hobgoblin ancestry found in the Lost Omens Character Guide. Character must be from Oprak. Purchase limited to one per player.
The World Traveler boon for 20 ACP isn't a big deal to me, since I GM all the time, I was just wondering about the order of operations with it.
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I think the most important take away for your particular question is that the published Lost Omens backgrounds are Common and don't have prerequisites.
For that, order of operations don't matter. In general, if you're buying the boons two boons for a new character, it would be simultaneous.
However, on whether hobgoblins must "take Oprak as their Home Region," I disagree.
I would argue that "must be from Oprak" is not the same as defining your Home Region, merely that you can't be a Kaoling hobgoblin or whatever other types there are. There is no defined amount of time required to spend in a region to make it your Home Region (the Ironfange Invasion finished 2 years ago), so you can leave Oprak, go to Cheliax, and make Cheliax your Home Region, but you're still a Hobgoblin from Oprak (with no mechanical benefit to being born from Oprak, i.e. meeting prerequisites or access conditions, for that you would need to assign Oprak as your Home Region).
I have a Sarkorian with Mwangi Expanse (Natambu) as his Home Region. Obviously, he didn't spring forth from the Mwangi people, but descending from Sarkoris doesn't mandate the World Wound as his Home Region.
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I've gotten completely lost as far as timing goes, are the Season 1 boons completely unpurchasable now?
Before you could just purchase the Home Region boon for 0 Fame to change your home region to wherever you want, then buy the World Traveler boon to add a second region. So it didn't matter where hobgoblins were "from" originally.
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I believe you can still purchase things with Fame until the blog mid-October that tells us how things are changing. There's no information yet on what you will be able to keep after that blog or, for example, if you'll just have to spend AcPs to rebuy something you already bought with Fame, but for the next 2-3 weeks you should be good. For what that's worth.
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Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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I've gotten completely lost as far as timing goes, are the Season 1 boons completely unpurchasable now?
Before you could just purchase the Home Region boon for 0 Fame to change your home region to wherever you want, then buy the World Traveler boon to add a second region. So it didn't matter where hobgoblins were "from" originally.
Home Region was free and automatically granted to characters on creation. You would be able to change it later for a fee I believe, but not gain two Home Regions. To have a second you would need World Traveler or something similar. Now though you just get it at creation with no known way to change it.
If I am indeed able to make Old Cheliax my home region that would be great, but I'm still waiting for one more thing to come out to make my character concept complete. In the end I'll probably still get World Traveler, just in case though.
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SLOTLESS
Prerequisites: All Factions Tier 0
Cost: 0 FameWhether it’s because you grew up there or have since learned to call it home, one nation is especially familiar to you. Choose one nation (such as Varisia or Taldor) when you purchase this boon. For the purpose of fulfilling prerequisites and Access conditions for uncommon character options, you are treated as being from that nation as well as the larger region in which it’s found (such as the Saga Lands for Varisia or the Shining Kingdoms for Taldor).
Special: You can purchase this boon multiple times, but each time you purchase it, you lose your previous home region in order to become so familiar with a new one. Before doing so, you must retrain any options that listed being from the previous home region as a prerequisite, and any options to which you would no longer have access.
Pay attention to the costs and the special line. It has no Fame or Tier prerequisites, so it doesn't matter where your character was born or raised. You can immediately buy it for your 0 XP character to change your home region to somewhere else. Then you buy World Traveler to get a second home region.
And apparently it's available until October 20th.
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So it sounds like there is enough ambiguity in the hobgoblin boon that we should get a quick comment from Paizo. This is one of those situations where you are better off assuming the more stringent interpretation, otherwise you risk a character that becomes illegal without the option to freely rebuild a correction.