Witch Multiclass Dedication Missing Hex Cantrips?


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It seems that you cannot gain your Patron Theme Hex Cantrip when taking the Witch mutliclass dedication. That seems odd considering the Bard dedication can get Composition Cantrips (as in multiple, if not any and all of them). Am I missing something?


Bard cantrips and witch cantrips are quite different, and most dedication feats don't give access to those kinds of abilities (eg, the wizard dedication doesn't give a bonded item or arcane thesis). Bard cantrips are powerful abilities, a core part of the class, and bards can collect several of them through feats. Witch cantrips are fairly weak abilities that are mostly flavor and a witch can only ever get one.

If witches ever get additional hex cantrips as feats then the witch dedication will as well.


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I wouldn't say we're missing them, Bob.


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It is weird as it currently stands. Hex cantrips are a very important part of the Witch's flavor.

It seems they leaned harder on the Familiar being fundamental to the Witch instead of the hexes, but I wouldn't be surprised if class archetypes in the future (or new class feats) will allow you to lean the other way.

For now, it's better to roll Bard and reflavor if you want a hex-feel sort of gameplay.


It is also fairly easy to hombrew the ability to get those hex cantrips. The only difficult part is whether to include it in the dedication feat, have a separate archetype feat to grab it, or have it as a rider on either the Basic Witch Spellcasting or Basic Witchcraft like the extra familiar ability is.

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breithauptclan wrote:
It is also fairly easy to hombrew the ability to get those hex cantrips. The only difficult part is whether to include it in the dedication feat, have a separate archetype feat to grab it, or have it as a rider on either the Basic Witch Spellcasting or Basic Witchcraft like the extra familiar ability is.

It would probably be handled like most class abilities given through Multiclass Dedications... it'd just be a archetype feat. Bard Dedication does this for Inspire Courage and Counter Peform; Monk Dedication does this with Monk's Flurry and Monk Moves, and Fighter Dedication gets Opportunist. The Devs are careful about giving class abilities through Dedications, either cherry-picking ones they find acceptable or watering down ones they think are too powerful.

So it might be a Witch Dedication archetype feat that grants the Patron's hex cantrip.

I doubt they would make it a rider on the Spellcasting archetype feats as those are standardized across classes.


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It's the biggest failing of the witch class that they can't accrue multiple cantrips (let alone how lackluster they are). It's no surprise that the dedication also misses out on what makes a witch a witch.


Captain Zoom wrote:
I doubt they would make it a rider on the Spellcasting archetype feats as those are standardized across classes.

It might be too much to ask. Though with how niche the cantrip hexes are, I am not sure that just getting the one hex would be worth a feat on its own.

Dansome wrote:
It's the biggest failing of the witch class that they can't accrue multiple cantrips (let alone how lackluster they are). It's no surprise that the dedication also misses out on what makes a witch a witch.

Maybe homebrew fix both of these problems with something like Druid's Order Magic or Bard's Song of Strength where the focus spell is given through a class feat. Then Witch archetype characters can also pick up the hexes with Basic Witchcraft and Advanced Witchcraft.

But again, the power of just one cantrip hex seems a bit low for an entire feat of its own.


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Dansome wrote:
It's the biggest failing of the witch class that they can't accrue multiple cantrips (let alone how lackluster they are). It's no surprise that the dedication also misses out on what makes a witch a witch.

I agree, especially because they're hex cantrips, inherently restricted to 1/turn by the hex trait, so no worries on casting more than one if you have them. It seems like something that would let the Witch carve a niche that's a bit deeper to have a good pile of minor hexes.

Honestly, Witch is a bit watered down for my tastes, which I was afraid of.

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