Ironbeard not an Oracle spell anymore?


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Wondering why and when they took off ironbeard for an oracle spell. Defeats my idea for my dwarven barbarian worshiper of Gorum, blessing him with armor spikes through his beard.


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IRONBEARD wrote:
Level: antipaladin 1, cleric 1, hunter 1, magus 1, oracle 1, paladin 1, ranger 1, warpriest 1 (dwarf)

They still have it.

You're probably looking HERE. This isn't an official rules source, so it's not always right (it is a good site though). Archivesofnethys.com (the one quoted above) IS an official rules source now, so you're better off checking there.

Also:

An oracle casts divine spells drawn from the cleric spell lists.

So if it says "Cleric" then an Oracle can cast it (there may be a few specific exceptions to this, but as a general rule you'll be fine).


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yeah, I think it's because D20PFSRD doesn't always show derived spell lists. That is, spell lists that are copies other spell lists. Ironbeard is also not listed as a hunter spell. Hunters get everything that rangers and druids get with some modifications. Nethys correctly identifies that Ironbeard would be a 1st level hunter spell.


That is what I thought too. But when I am on herolab, Ironbeard does not show on the oracle spell list.


Dokkens10 wrote:
That is what I thought too. But when I am on herolab, Ironbeard does not show on the oracle spell list.

Something I would check is to make sure you have the advanced race guide active in herolab. Newly purchased books have to be individually activated in setup (or at least that's the case for their offline version, I haven't used their online one so it may be different). If you do and it's not showing up for oracle and it is showing up for other classes I would reach out to the folks at herolab and report it as a bug. Either they'll get it fixed or they will explain why they don't have it flagged as an oracle spell. They've been generally responsive and helpful when I've reached out before.

If it is a bug that needs to be fixed, you can force herolab to recognize the spell as being on your class list. I had to to that for the Pathfinder Savant class before it was fully implemented.


LordKailas wrote:
Dokkens10 wrote:
That is what I thought too. But when I am on herolab, Ironbeard does not show on the oracle spell list.

Something I would check is to make sure you have the advanced race guide active in herolab. Newly purchased books have to be individually activated in setup (or at least that's the case for their offline version, I haven't used their online one so it may be different). If you do and it's not showing up for oracle and it is showing up for other classes I would reach out to the folks at herolab and report it as a bug. Either they'll get it fixed or they will explain why they don't have it flagged as an oracle spell. They've been generally responsive and helpful when I've reached out before.

If it is a bug that needs to be fixed, you can force herolab to recognize the spell as being on your class list. I had to to that for the Pathfinder Savant class before it was fully implemented.

Yeah, I got all of the existing books for Herolab during some big sale, because I didn't want to run into issues with using a specific spell or feat that wasn't available because it's only in a splatbook. Pretty incredible software, but there are a lot of little things you have to double-check for everything to work properly, like activating rules/special books, or taking animal companion archetypes on the PC first and then going to the AC and adding it after. One issue I found is with deity specific spells. Milani grants "Imbue with Spell Ability" to rangers, and Herolab will have it show up on their spell list when worshipping her...but it's also grayed out and not a valid option, because only worshipers of Nethys get that spell ;). Pathfinder is a complex game, with a ton of little exceptions, and having a program try to account for all of them means that there will be a lot of little oversights as well.


Yeah I went ahead and send herolab an email about it. We will se what happens.


LordKailas wrote:
yeah, I think it's because D20PFSRD doesn't always show derived spell lists. That is, spell lists that are copies other spell lists. Ironbeard is also not listed as a hunter spell. Hunters get everything that rangers and druids get with some modifications. Nethys correctly identifies that Ironbeard would be a 1st level hunter spell.

I dont think they do ANY hunter spells do they?

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