This thick lubricant makes the joints of armor move more freely. Applying the ointment takes 1 minute and reduces your armor's armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of –1) for 8 hours.
How does it stack with Armor Expert trait? Can i reduce -2 penalty to 0 with this ointment?
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This thick lubricant makes the joints of armor move more freely. Applying the ointment takes 1 minute and reduces your armor's armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of –1) for 8 hours.
How does it stack with Armor Expert trait? Can i reduce -2 penalty to 0 with this ointment?
I would say no to -2 to 0. However anything above 0 would be fine (-4 to -2 for example is A-OK).
To me the difference is that you always have the armor expert trait. If you have an armor that normally has a -2 armor check and have the Armor Expert trait it would be -1. Applying the ointment would have no effect since the ointment cannot make it better than -1.
Hypothetical item as an additional thought exercise:
When applied to the body of a creature, this oil gives a +1 bonus on escape artist checks (to a maximum bonus of +5)
If I have an escape artist bonus of +6 and apply this item, what happens?
I think, if you are applying this alchemical thing on armor, this armor BECOMES an armor with check penalty -1. And when you are wearing it (YOU, with trait) - it becomes a zero.
First I thought like You, but if my argument is right...
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Logical exercise!
A1) If I'm wearing armor with a normal check penalty of -2 and then apply Armor Expert Trait for a current ACP of -1 and have my squire apply armor ointment while I'm wearing it, what is the new ACP?
B1) If a suit of armor with a normal check penalty of -2 is lying on the ground and my squire applies armor ointment to it for a new ACP of -1, then puts it on my character with the Armor Expert Trait, what is the new ACP?
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A2) If I'm wearing armor with a normal check penalty of -4 and then apply Armor Expert Trait for a current ACP of -3 and have my squire apply armor ointment while I'm wearing it, what is the new ACP?
B2) If a suit of armor with a normal check penalty of -4 is lying on the ground and my squire applies armor ointment to it for a new ACP of -3, then puts it on my character with the Armor Expert Trait, what is the new ACP?
It's math, i think. WIth logic it will be like: i can act in armor mor agile, because I'm an expert. If i have an armor, that is realy good and slick (like a leather armor), i don't have bonuses and it does not have to me oiled. If i have an amor that needs to be (can be by check penalty) oiled, i will act much better in it, when it IS oiled.
Just thinking about: "reduces your armor's armor check penalty", not "YOUR armor check pealty".
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RAW, it stacks.
You can dance around, finding some nonsensical reason for it not doing so, with a "I don't like" as your entire backing to your claim, but it is, what it is.
RAW:
reduces your armor's armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of –1)
You can dance around, finding some finicky reason for it stacking, with "I want to have an ACP of 0" as your entire backing to your claim, but it is, what it is.
There's plenty of ways to reduce ACP. Armor Training, mithral armor, armor expert. If the intent was to allow it to go all the way to 0 why would there be anything saying "a minimum of -1" in the item description? Seriously, look at my scenarios above. If you strictly read RAW, the answer to A1 is -1 and B1 is 0. Logically, that makes no sense.
Do they stack? Absolutely. But only to a minimum of -1.
