is Immunity to Critical Hits also Immunity to Critical Failures?

[caps]

If a creature, object, or hazard is immune to critical hits, does that mean it is also immune to critically failing a saving throw?

My intention and reading of the RAW says no. But I am curious if there is any RAW I have missed that clarifies either way.

If not, I would like to hit the FAQ button here.

[Squiggit]

Perusing the rules a bit, the phrase "critical hit" seems to refer specifically to critically succeeding on an attack. Which to my mind suggests that the immunity doesn't extend to any other type of critical effect.

caps wrote:

If not, I would like to hit the FAQ button here.

PF2 players aren't allowed to do that for whatever reason, unfortunately.

[thenobledrake]

Here's what the book says:

"Immunity to critical hits works a little differently. When a creature immune to critical hits is critically hit by a Strike or other attack that deals damage, it takes normal damage instead of double damage. This does not make it immune to any other critical success effects of other actions that have the attack trait (such as Grapple and Shove)."

Not even a hint of language that suggests it also applies against critical failure effects, so no reason to consider it ambiguous even. Now, there could be an error here - there's just no reason to assume that's the case

Squiggit wrote:

caps wrote:

If not, I would like to hit the FAQ button here.

PF2 players aren't allowed to do that for whatever reason, unfortunately.

Paizo decided they don't like the way that was working out before, so it's not a thing.

I imagine there were a lot of things marked for FAQ that shouldn't have been (which I admit is weird to say because intuitively it'd seem like whatever people ask frequently should be in a FAQ list, but the reality is there's a difference between things that actually need an answer and stuff that someone is hung up on because the very clear and already present answer isn't what they want it to be)

[caps]

Looks like it is pretty cut and dry. Thank you!

[Cydeth]

That's an excellent question, and one I hadn't thought of. Good to know!

[Deriven Firelion]

Interesting. Never thought about this, but it seems critical save failures still hammer hard.