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Warning first:
For folks out there thinking about live streaming a Paizo Adventure Path, especially if you are coming from a light-hearted comedic back ground, think twice or maybe even more about choosing this AP for your project. You are wading into a minefield that is very likely to attract negative attention to yourselves, and quite possible the paizo company and fanbase.
That said,
I think that there could be a very interesting opportunity to livestream a play through of this AP, if it was going to be taking seriously the complicated and conflicting responsibilities that happen when thinking and feeling beings are put in situations where they are expected to serve and protect all of the individuals in communities that might be in multiple kinds of conflict with themselves. It could be a visible and public exploration of how role playing games can utilize the nature of fantasy settings to experiment with ideas that might feel impossible in our own settings. I think it would be essential if planning this as a public campaign, to provide space for public feedback and discussion, but if done right, I think it could be a really powerful opportunity to do something new with this AP.
I for one would love to see it, and would be willing to help make it happen, in any way that I can. I don't even think it would necessarily need to be limited to just one group doing it this way, so if 5 of these streams appeared as the AP became available I would probably support all of them.
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Counterpoint: the majority of Americans, and the majority of Blacks, do have a positive opinion of the police. It will be fine.
Any actual data to support that claim? I'd be interested to know what the polling company is and how statistically rigorous their work is.
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To be honest, I think trying to argue about how many people do or do not trust law enforcement to be a pretty big distraction from the purpose of this thread, which is to point out that wading into this AP in a public forum like a hosting a livestream playcast, for the purposes of a lighthearted comedic play through, is going to be fraught with unnecessary risks that could have consequences on our entire pathfinder community.
I don't even see how this statement could be controversial, but I could see excited players wanting to pick up the newest AP without thinking about it, which was half of the purpose of this thread.
The other half was to point out that I would still like to see folks playing this AP publicly, I just want it to be in a fashion that is respectful to the political and social reality that is many people's lived experiences right now, around the world and in the US in particular. Whether or not something affects a majority of people in a country is not a good measure for its appropriateness as subject for light comedy that is not focused on providing social commentary.
Not many people in the U.S. have that much experience with institutionalization in mental health facilities, but I find the Glass Cannon Podcast's livestream playthrough of Strange Aeons often making me so uncomfortable that I stopped watching it and it turned me off from even considering trying to run that AP, despite seeing a lot of potential in the themes that it was exploring. Playing the patients of an asylum is an interesting take, but not really when people suffering from real mental health issues become the butt of jokes about how scary a setting an asylum can be. A podcast that focuses on "the boys" getting together, getting drunk and having silly fun together, doesn't really need to cannonball its way into sensitive content. If the GPC tackled the Agents of Edgewatch, in their traditional comedic fashion, it would be a dumpster fire.
People have the right to do comedy that is in bad taste, but audiences have the equal right to get upset, and the think badly of all the people that contribute to making the offensive material possible. I hope Paizo does not put themselves in a position to be lumped in with people who might try to make light of this situation. I equally hope this doesn't mean that they just make the whole AP off limits, because I think there is the potential for something really positive in seeing this AP played out thoughtfully in a public context.
Just to be clear, I really like the GCP, especially their starfinder podcast and Joe's PF2 mega dungeon show. I just don't like the combination of the live show environment and the strange Aeon's AP.
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Paizo have added a "CONTENT WARNING AND PLAYER CONSENT" on page 2 of the Agents of Edgwatch Players Guide. Take note of the last paragraph.
One could always just post a warning like that at the start of every episode of their Live Play of this Adventure Path.
Ultimately, it's the listener/viewer's personal choice to listen/watch Live Play of this Adventure Path.
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Paizo have added a "CONTENT WARNING AND PLAYER CONSENT" on page 2 of the Agents of Edgwatch Players Guide. Take note of the last paragraph.
One could always just post a warning like that at the start of every episode of their Live Play of this Adventure Path.
Ultimately, it's the listener/viewer's personal choice to listen/watch Live Play of this Adventure Path.
I think at this point, it is probably a good idea to go back to the original point I made for people thinking about live streaming this AP from a light-hearted background, namely that doing so is wading into a minefield, and that you are very likely to receive a heavy backlash, not just from people who feel like you are being disrespectful to people and communities that have been confronted by the excessively too common realities of police violence, but from members of the Pathfinder community who feel like your portrayal of our game speaks badly about the company that produced it. You know, the people who are most likely going to be your early target audience.
It is a dangerous road to walk, for no good reason, if your goal is light-hearted fun. The question is not, "would it be possible?" the question is, "would it be worth it?"
People trying to say that making light hearted comedy out of dark social problems can be contributing to a positive resolution of getting people to think more deeply about them, instead of silencing debate on them...know that you are going to have to put a whole lot of work into aspects of this game that have nothing to do with the mechanics of the game or having fun with your friends, because, if you are getting any attention at all, your every decision is going to be under a highly critical microscope. If you make mistakes, you are going to have to be treading on eggshells, or you are going to end up looking like an active troll and instigator of harm and not a funny comedian making people laugh.
You should at least be warned.
If your goal is to be a troll and deliberately seek to be provocative, then perhaps trying to live stream this AP might appeal to you, but that is where I think Paizo is fully within their rights as a company to do everything in their power to make it difficult for you to use their intellectual property to do so.
And doing it just to get Paizo to bring down the hammer and say "no one gets to live stream this AP" would suck for all of us.
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I kinda have to wonder if in your vision of how to play this AP situational humor is forbidden?
As a "performance for an audience entertainment" AP, I would really think the "y'all are circus people" AP is going to work a lot better than the "y'all are the cops" one.
APs come out faster than most groups can play through them, so it's fie to skip one. That module where people are turning into oozes seems fun too.
It is interesting though to think about how portraying police in a farcical manner does come across. Since prior to the abundance of copaganda, the base assumption of officers was the "keystone kops" sort of thing (where the real heroes were the PIs or whatever who figured out what actually happened.)
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Just wanted to jump in and confirm that you are allowed to livestream Paizo Adventure Paths under the Community Use Policy, including showing off maps and other artwork related to the adventure. You can likewise publish the streams on YouTube and other social media platforms. Audio podcasts are also permitted.
If you're looking to do more than that (like put material behind a paywall), you'd need a formal license from Paizo to do that.
Good Gaming!
-Jim
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Just wanted to jump in and confirm that you are allowed to livestream Paizo Adventure Paths under the Community Use Policy, including showing off maps and other artwork related to the adventure. You can likewise publish the streams on YouTube and other social media platforms. Audio podcasts are also permitted.
If you're looking to do more than that (like put material behind a paywall), you'd need a formal license from Paizo to do that.
Good Gaming!
-Jim
Thank you!
Could you also mark whatever ToDo list app that Paizo uses for updating the Community Use Policy so that this gets included the next time it's published?
An obscure staff post in an obscure thread isn't always easy to find again.
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Here’s the bottom line. The people who would be upset by a light-hearted take are probably harboring resentment for this AP existing because it has a positive display of police.
Everybody has already made up their mind on that topic, and I don’t see how a livestream would affect anyone’s views. Everybody who would take offense already has.
This is just not true. I'm pretty pleased with the existence of the AP as such, but would indeed find it deeply distasteful to stream a light-hearted or joking version of it right at the moment.
Much like there's nothing inherently wrong with a plane hijacking film but making and releasing a comedic one right after 9/11 would've been deeply tasteless and unpleasant. Indeed, at least one film was pulled from theaters (or, to be precise, never shown in them, going direct to video instead) in the wake of 9/11 for precisely this reason, and that was likely a good decision.
So my existence refutes your statement, and I strongly doubt I'm alone in my feelings on the issue.
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Here’s the bottom line. The people who would be upset by a light-hearted take are probably harboring resentment for this AP existing because it has a positive display of police.
Everybody has already made up their mind on that topic, and I don’t see how a livestream would affect anyone’s views. Everybody who would take offense already has.
As the OP here, I’d argue the very purpose of making this thread was to say the opposite of what you are saying here. I don’t want to enter the numbers game of guessing what a lot of people are.
An attempt to live stream a light hearted comedic approach to this AP is going to be under excruciating analysis for tendencies towards trivializing the pain and suffering of real people, either deliberately or unintentionally, (And rightly so).
Wading into that minefield haphazardly is a mistake that could have consequences beyond the scope of your own personal social circle, and will receive criticism that is bigger in scope than just whether you and your friends are having fun. If you and your friends having fun is the full purpose of the show, then this AP will make that much harder on you than other APs. If you have ulterior motives, other than just having fun with your friends, the motives are going to be called out pretty quickly by viewers, if you get any, so you should probably be honest and upfront about them from the beginning. and if you are unaware of your ulterior motives and your audience calls you out on them, that is really going to fall back on you, but could also make all the rest of us look pretty bad, which is why I made this thread: Be aware of the consequences of your choices, and be prepared to accept them. If that sounds like light hearted fun to you, the proceed with awareness and not ignorance. Otherwise, consider a different AP.