Any ranged Dirty Trick styles (Except Bounty Hunter Slayer)

[Zwordsman]

Heyo.
As the title says. I'm curious!

Any methods to do Dirty Trick at a range?
The only one I know, is the same as a few years ago. Bounty Hunter Slayer's method-which is their level 2 ability to subb it out whenever they can get Sneak Attack they can sub it out for a Dirty Trick attempt at a bonus.

I couldn't really think of a consistent way to proc sneak attack that way. Basically just Feinting I think was the only realistic choice. (or Scout Rogue)

So I'm curious if anyone else knows a Not 3rd party method to do that?

I'm attempting to build Adlet Meyers from Rokka no Yuusha. And dirty trick is a great way to fluff a lot of what he does.

[avr]

I've never heard of your source material so some of these may be way off.

Skulking slayer rogue works the same way as bounty hunter slayer. With sniping/ranged feint/vanishing trick/major magic: vanish/multiclassing to cast shield of darkness or similar you can do ranged sneak attack fairly reliably.

Shield champion brawler can do dirty tricks with a thrown shield from L7.

An unchained monk using shuriken or other ranged monk weapons can use the dirty strikes style strike.

The mud in your eye feat lets you throw mud at someone to do a dirty trick. Abadar's divine fighting technique gives a couple of relevant options when using a crossbow.

Several spells do dirty tricks, more can do so with the trick spell feat.

[Zwordsman]

Oh I'd never noticed Trick Spell before! Neat. That might be something to look at.
Though shame it is specifically Charisma instead of 'casting stat'

I was looking at Mud in your Eye feat, though the restrictions on location make it unfortunately not really an option most of the time. Baring a GM allowing me to bring muck with me haha.

I've never read UnMonk, but I'll look up that style thing. That might work well.

Adlet Mayer from Rokka no Yuusha's opening. Non spoiler to show but showcases a bit
Might build him out of Alch or Occultist (due to later book reasons also for 'theme of usage' in a pathfinder world) but the monk with dirty strikes might work pretty fantastically.

[Firebug]

I've got an Undine Sorcerer who uses Hydraulic Push with Hydraulic Maneuver for dirty trick, though its limited to Blind and Dazzle.

[avr]

His most notable ability looks to be Favorable Choreography, but poison use, fog/smoke from bombs - an alchemist does seem appropriate. I'm not sure he uses any dirty trick combat maneuvers there. He does fail at least two social skill checks which also seems appropriate to an alchemist.

[Zwordsman]

A much longer more thorough fights. But spoils the entire season really stop before 550 to avoid biggest spoilersIt is pretty cool though if you don't plan to watch it. Poor guy is just a normal human and everyone else is super powered haha.
It is more that Dirty Trick represents a lot of his things.
He fails a ton of social checks frankly. But amazing monster ID. The only time he doesn't fail social check seems to be when he nat 20s

LIke his throwing darts? theyre covered in a pain poison. For all 'equal to him' enemies, it only makes them stumble for a breif moment. Where as all those guards he hit? would be level 0 npcs and he'd be around level 4 or 5 here. While the other two would be around 3 or 4.
The only significant poison he used there was on the caltrops.

WHich would be Toxicant poison I think. Love that archetype.

But when he fights the monsters later, most of his stuff just barely makes them briefly pause and gives openings to the actual strong folks.

Which I feel like dirty trick represents well in game terms. Fluff wise, its easy enough to fluff a pain poison, or throwing ink on their face, or using oil+flint to temporarily blind them by spewing light fire at their face. Mechanically Dirty Trick will let me fluff a myriad of neat combos for him. More so if I swing the AOO dirty trick stuff. Sure Gm has to let me fluff it that way.. But i love rping collecting things and such anyway. (Alch and Occulstis are my favorite classes)

Since in actual game terms its really difficult to use poisons and such (other than toxicant anyway).

[Zwordsman]

As for build ideas...

Alchemist X. Bounty Hunter 2 Farstrike (mainly for feats and profiencies). BAB hurts abit though. But allows for various combos. As well as some fun opening attacks if the set up is lucky. (dirty tricks+toxicant poison is pretty rough if it works out. But thats arare thing). Probaly retain bombs as they'd be more useful for mid range. (Though amusingly I think a surprise Fast Bombs from sneak opening would proc the Bounty Hunter sneak attack dirty trick effect. So that would be a lot of debuff opening if one rolled well/surprised attacked)

Inspired Swash (for defense/weapon usage) Farstrike Monk (saves feats). Alch X. Forgoes dirty trick at range, may still use up close. Throws toxicant poison darts, dives in melee more often due to inspired's help with that. Might opt for sneak attack instead of bombs.. but bomb debuffs are so good.

The weird one is talisman Occultist. Which Is just more inspired by his combat style. This one more often just trips enemies not dirty trick, as well as some control or support blasts. More just fights to set his allies up like Adlet does. Lot of ranged trip, then AOOs when they get up via ranged threatenin feat.

I don't think any are particularly strong but probably fun.

I was hoping there was a specific ranged dirty trick feat. Like there was for Ranged Trip, Ranged Disarm, and a few other ranged maneuevers.
Would make it a lot easier.
or that the ranged threatening feat allowed for sneak attack. (which I don't think it does). A lot fo cool tools that sadly don't work out.

[Bullion902]

Zwordsman wrote:

Heyo.

As the title says. I'm curious!

Any methods to do Dirty Trick at a range?
The only one I know, is the same as a few years ago. Bounty Hunter Slayer's method-which is their level 2 ability to subb it out whenever they can get Sneak Attack they can sub it out for a Dirty Trick attempt at a bonus.

I couldn't really think of a consistent way to proc sneak attack that way. Basically just Feinting I think was the only realistic choice. (or Scout Rogue)

So I'm curious if anyone else knows a Not 3rd party method to do that?

I'm attempting to build Adlet Meyers from Rokka no Yuusha. And dirty trick is a great way to fluff a lot of what he does.

The Prestige Class, Chernasardo Warden has Trick Shot at LVL 6, you can attempt a dirty trick with a ranged weapon with a -4 penalty which changes to -2 at LVL 9.

[Mark Hoover 330]

There's the feat Net Trickery which allows you to use a net to attempt a Dirty Trick maneuver to deliver Blinded. If you're not a worshipper of a deity to qualify for Trick Spell, there's Magic Trick with the Mage Hand spell and the Improved Dirty Trick feat. So long as you can cast the spell and have the feats, you can perform any Dirty Trick maneuver with the Mage Hand within range of the spell.

Also, just an FYI about using the net: the feat Equipment Trick opens up the Binding Trick if you're proficient with nets and have Improved Dirty Trick. If you've already succeeded in delivering Entangled on a foe, control the trailing rope of the net and then succeed at a Dirty Trick on that foe, the victim can't take an action to remove the effect of the Dirty Trick maneuver until they've either escaped or burst free of the net.

So... BAB +6, Int 13, proficiency with nets, Combat Expertise, Equipment Trick, Improved Dirty Trick, Net Adept, Net Maneuvering and Net Trickery. It's a tall order but if you manage all of that, you can throw a folded net on a foe 10' away, deliver Entangled, take a 5' step and in place of your iterative attack attempt a Dirty Trick maneuver. If successful with the maneuver as well, the foe is now Blinded, Entangled, and will continue being Blinded until they either pull an Escape Artist check or burst free of the net.

Grippli begin play with proficiency in nets. Several class builds either give you Improved Dirty Trick free, Combat Expertise free, or deliver enough bonus feats to pull together this build between L6-L8 depending on the BAB progression. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...