These two classes I have the least experience with. I've seen multiple thread's in various places on how one or the other is a bit weak though they each have their own strengths.
I'm curious to Wich variation do you think would be better? Or what each variation would be better at what.
Wizard with alchemist dedication or alchemist with wizard dedication?
Weaker bomb's vs weaker spells. And fewer.
But they are very SAD both using intelligence and can then make dexterity a secondary without too much worry.
Combining them seems appealing to extend your work day via extra resources in the form of either bomb's or spell slots. Plus the cantrips would be welcome for the alchemist base
Thoughts? Ideas? As I said I have the least experience with these two
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Depends of what you want to do and how much you want to invest in each dedication.
If you will invest a good amount of feats in the dedication then I would go with Alchemist base to get a good repertoire of magical goodies.
If you will only dip to get a thing or two then Wizard base to get some useful alchemical items that take care of specific situations (like darkvision and so on) letting you prepared spells be less situational.
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Depends of what you want to do and how much you want to invest in each dedication.
If you will invest a good amount of feats in the dedication then I would go with Alchemist base to get a good repertoire of magical goodies.
If you will only dip to get a thing or two then Wizard base to get some useful alchemical items that take care of specific situations (like darkvision and so on) letting you prepared spells be less situational.
good point on using it for buffs and such, its easy to just think bombs and poisons
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Depends of what you want to do and how much you want to invest in each dedication.
If you will invest a good amount of feats in the dedication then I would go with Alchemist base to get a good repertoire of magical goodies.
If you will only dip to get a thing or two then Wizard base to get some useful alchemical items that take care of specific situations (like darkvision and so on) letting you prepared spells be less situational.
Interesting idea for utility buffs to help your spell slots.
I imagine with a bomber base it's about filling in those levels that don't further your bomb's with increasing your spell slots
So here is a question.
I'm looking at healing elixir's. At 19 they heal a good bit.
I can't find anywhere where if I too alchemist dedication I couldn't at level 19 make several of these high level healing potions for free as part of my daily preparation.
Is that correct? Or is it more like a spell caster and I can only make up to 9th level healing elixir's?
Combining these two classes is kinda tricky and/or not super valuable.
The Alchemist/subWizard is tricky to build because a bomber alchemist really relies of using all their feats to keep upgrading their bomb damage and utility. Quick Bomber, Calculated Splash, Debilitating Bomb and Expanded Splash are almost mandatory to make a powerful bomber alchemist. This leaves you with very few spare feats for multiclassing.
The Wizard/subAlchemist on the other hand suffers from the alchemist archetype being very stingy. The advanced alchemy level you get from the archetype feats is always around half your character level. The advanced alchemy level is what sets which alchemical items you get to make for free - you only get to make the ones with item level equal or less than your alchemy level. The problem is that since the free items are so much lower level than your character level, they end up being relatively inexpensive to just buy (considering your character's wealth).
Say at 8th level, your advanced alchemy level is at most 3. Your lump-sum wealth by level is 1100 gp. Each free alchemical item you can make only costs 12 gp if you buy it from a shop. Is that really worth investing two or three feats?
12g is a not-insignificant portion of 1100g, considering some of the consumables you might find a use for multiple times a day. That 1% adds up quick if you're chugging potions. And considering you can do this every day, for free, with the archetype. That's not a bad tradeoff if you aren't stoked on the Wizard feats. I think Wizard/Alchemist gets you a little more bang for your buck. It's just a bunch of utility that lets you save your spell slots and round things out a bit more, and some of the elixirs can help buff up all of the bonus skills you're getting from your Int score.
Alchemist/Wizard is hard because I think the Alchemist class right now is somewhat relegated to an Int/Dex Bomber (which needs a lot of feats, as Cellion noted)--Chirurgeons seem just alright and I'm not sure how much a couple Wizard spells are going to help with their shtick. That said, snagging a cantrip for "basic attacks" is really nice to make up for the lack of free bombing until later on, but I think you can build that up with the right ancestry without needing to deviate from going all-in on Alchemist feats.
P.S. to OP, because this is the internet hill I die on: apostrophes don't make things plural. I guess phones do this a lot on less common words so it just kind of appears, but it's everywhere and it drives me nuts. It's my own personal crusade and nothing against you.
So here is a question.
I'm looking at healing elixir's. At 19 they heal a good bit.
I can't find anywhere where if I too alchemist dedication I couldn't at level 19 make several of these high level healing potions for free as part of my daily preparation.
Is that correct? Or is it more like a spell caster and I can only make up to 9th level healing elixir's?
A while back I put together a few charts showing the progression of your abilities if you take the main Alchemist Multiclass feats at the earliest possible levels. As you can see, your Advanced Alchemy Level will max out at 15. So Major Elixir of Life is the best that you'll get.
(And I just realized that I misspelled elixir throughout those charts.)
It's ok puna. It's my phone lol