Lich and unarmed strike

[roguerouge]

If a lich hits using unarmed strike does the target have to make a fortitude save against paralysis? Would they be able to flurry with the paralysis effect on their unarmed strikes if they were a Sacred Fist?

[LordKailas]

if the lich took the feat Feral Combat Training they could probably combine it with flurry. Otherwise no, because it's paralyzing touch is considered a natural attack.

Lich wrote:

Melee Attack: A lich has a touch attack that it can use once per round as a natural weapon. A lich fighting without weapons uses its natural weapons (if it has any) in addition to its touch attack (which is treated as a primary natural weapon that replaces one claw or slam attack, if the creature has any). A lich armed with a weapon uses its weapons normally, and can use its touch attack as a secondary natural weapon.

[Scott Wilhelm]

LordKailas wrote:

if the lich took the feat Feral Combat Training they could probably combine it with flurry. Otherwise no, because it's paralyzing touch is considered a natural attack.

Lich wrote:

Melee Attack: A lich has a touch attack that it can use once per round as a natural weapon. A lich fighting without weapons uses its natural weapons (if it has any) in addition to its touch attack (which is treated as a primary natural weapon that replaces one claw or slam attack, if the creature has any). A lich armed with a weapon uses its weapons normally, and can use its touch attack as a secondary natural weapon.

Are you sure? I knew Feral Combat Training allows you to apply Unarmed strike feats to a natural weapon, but I never thought it allowed you to apply natural weapon effects to an unarmed strike.

[RAWmonger]

“ If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.”

[Scott Wilhelm]

Ah.

Combine the Natural Attack with Flurry. I misunderstood.

[Tacticslion]

Cool!

[Quixote]

Lich wrote:

Melee Attack: A lich has a touch attack that it can use once per round as a natural weapon...

--can't see how you'd get around that limitation. But you'd be able to make your normal Flurry and then a paralyzing touch, or take the feat and up to one of your unarmed attacks a round can also be a paralyzing touch, which I guess would be good when you can't make a full attack.

[LordKailas]

Quixote wrote:

Lich wrote:

Melee Attack: A lich has a touch attack that it can use once per round as a natural weapon...

--can't see how you'd get around that limitation. But you'd be able to make your normal Flurry and then a paralyzing touch, or take the feat and up to one of your unarmed attacks a round can also be a paralyzing touch, which I guess would be good when you can't make a full attack.

Yeah, that's why I said probably. I wasn't sure if that's a limitation or if it was worded that way because it's a natural attack. Since that wording doesn't show up anywhere outside of the template.