Dimensional Dervish and Flurry of Blows


Rules Questions


Dimensional Dervish states:

Benefit: You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action. If you do, you can teleport up to twice your speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability), dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport.

Special: A monk can use additional points from his ki pool to increase his speed before determining the total speed for this teleportation.

1: So, could I use this with Abundant Step (as a swift action instead of a move), to teleport adjacent to my enemy and attack him with a Flurry of Blows?

2: If 1 is correct, can I teleport, make a flurry of blows, and after doing all of my attacks, teleport back?

Thanks in advance.


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Yes, you can use Abundant Step to teleport to you opponents, attack with FoB, and teleport out, assuming you have the available movement.


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1) Yes, the feat can be used with abundant step and you may use any full attack action at your disposal with it. Flurry of blows is a full attack action.

2) Yes, you can do exactly that so long as your total movement doesn’t exceed 2x your normal movement or the distance allowed by your abundant step, whichever is shorter. The feat does not require you to teleport between each attack, but it does allow you to do long as you teleport at least 5 ft when doing so.


Chell Raighn wrote:


2) Yes, you can do exactly that so long as your total movement doesn’t exceed 2x your normal movement or the distance allowed by your abundant step, whichever is shorter. The feat does not require you to teleport between each attack, but it does allow you to do long as you teleport at least 5 ft when doing so.

I read it differently. It does not say "may". It says "dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport."

Therefore, I believe it does require that you teleport at least 5 feet between each attack


Thanks a lot for the answers!. I read it like Volkard and Chell say. But I will ask my DM just in case.


Chell Raighn wrote:

1) Yes, the feat can be used with abundant step and you may use any full attack action at your disposal with it. Flurry of blows is a full attack action.

2) Yes, you can do exactly that so long as your total movement doesn’t exceed 2x your normal movement or the distance allowed by your abundant step, whichever is shorter. The feat does not require you to teleport between each attack, but it does allow you to do long as you teleport at least 5 ft when doing so.

Just to clarify, the part that confuses me a lot is where it says that "You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action." Because it seems to me like I have to use a full-attack action just activate the feat and teleport and attack, and flurry of blows is also a full attack action, and I cant make two full attack actions on the same round. So, does it means that Dimensional Dervish allows me to take a full attack action like flurry of blows and as a bonus use abundant step as a swift action to teleport before, between, and after my attacks? Or that It requires a different full attack action, and so, I couldn't use it to flurry of blows my enemy because I am already using a full attack action?

And what Lyrad says confuses me and my DM too. Is the teleportation between each attack obligatory? Or optional?

Thanks a lot and sorry if I dint explained my doubt clearly.


The way it requires you to divide up your teleportation I think it's saying that teleportation between each attack is mandatory.


The feat almost certainly doesn’t require you to move/teleport between each attack, it’s telling you when you can use your teleportation, since normally you wouldn’t be able to move in between attacks after already moving before attacking. As a general rule feats and are intended to increase the capabilities of your character and their choices, not create arbitrary restrictions, since, if you *must* move between every attack, what happens when you run out of movement? Do you no longer get to use your remaining attacks because you can’t move between attacks? If that was the case we would obviously see additional rules in the text of the feat regarding how running out of movement effects your character other than their inability to continue teleporting. It seems to me pretty clear that this *allows* you to move in between attacks and after your final attack, but clearly doesn’t compel you to do so, either between attacks, before any attacks, or after your final attack (since swift action can be taken during a full attack action, you could start by attacking an adjacent enemy and then activate abundant step/ DD to teleport to the next).


Eroz, the feat takes no action to activate. It’s just saying that any time you take any full-attack action, you can use Abundant/DD as a swift action in this way. Your normal action economy rules otherwise still apply


It says you have to divide your movement before the first attack in between each attack and after your final attack and the minimum you can do is 5 feet. So you need to teleport at least 5 feet before every attack


vhok wrote:
It says you have to divide your movement before the first attack in between each attack and after your final attack and the minimum you can do is 5 feet. So you need to teleport at least 5 feet before every attack

But it doesn’t say “have” or “must” though. Y’all just read that in there for no reason. But since you read it that way, please answer the follow up question I posed regarding it.


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If you do, you can teleport up to twice your speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability), dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack.

The only option in there is the first, 'If you do'. All the rest is required from that point. You don't run out of teleport distance because you divide the teleport distance up before performing the action.


vhok wrote:
It says you have to divide your movement before the first attack in between each attack and after your final attack and the minimum you can do is 5 feet. So you need to teleport at least 5 feet before every attack

Oooh, I see! Thanks a lot!

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