Acting Virtuosic Performer


Rules Discussion


So dancing won't work if your enemy has you grabbed, would Acting work? And if so which type of Acting performance would you suggest. Contemplating retraining to this type of Performance. Singing has its own issues (ie. Doesn't work in a silenced area, etc). I'm trying to decide between Dancing and Acting.


Reciting poems is what my player is doing for his performances checks.


Does that bypass Grabbing? Does anyone know if any kind of Acting would allow you to continue acting while grabbed?


Sounds like a GM call to me.

Personally I'd say you can still do acting while grabbed but not when restrained, but I don't have rules support for that.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

Sounds like a GM call to me.

Personally I'd say you can still do acting while grabbed but not when restrained, but I don't have rules support for that.

Can agree, and depends on how the player wishes to act.

If I find the acting involves some sort of manipulate trait, then that DC 5 flat check is coming out before you could say Inspire Courage. Similarly, being restrained means that if said person is trying to act involving manipulation, it flat out will not work and I'd have to disallow that action.


Could I Demoralize using an acting Performance (Versatile performance) vs say a Bear who doesn't speak the same language as myself? Or would I need intimidating glare also?


Atalius wrote:
Could I Demoralize using an acting Performance (Versatile performance) vs say a Bear who doesn't speak the same language as myself? Or would I need intimidating glare also?

Demoralize always has the auditory trait regardless of what you tack onto it, meaning acting performance in this case must likewise be auditory (because trying to change traits or action types without abilities or rules saying you can isn't something I'd expect a GM to let fly, especially if it's munchkining).

With the Glare feat, it becomes Visual instead, so it would 100% work without penalty then.

Horizon Hunters

Wait, I was under the impression Performance was just Performance, and that you didn't have to choose a specific version. Can someone point me to the rules stating that you have to choose a specific type of performance?


Cordell Kintner wrote:
Wait, I was under the impression Performance was just Performance, and that you didn't have to choose a specific version. Can someone point me to the rules stating that you have to choose a specific type of performance?

It matters for feats like Virtuosic Performer, which gives circumstance bonuses if you do a specific type of performance, with a list write-up in the feat description.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Cordell Kintner wrote:
Wait, I was under the impression Performance was just Performance, and that you didn't have to choose a specific version. Can someone point me to the rules stating that you have to choose a specific type of performance?
It matters for feats like Virtuosic Performer, which gives circumstance bonuses if you do a specific type of performance, with a list write-up in the feat description.

It also matters because item bonuses are limited to specific types of performances, and only performances with certain traits work with some bardic focus spells. So you have to use an auditory performance to try a lingering composition on inspire courage or if you try inspire heroics. If your item bonus is a dancing scarf and you took Virtuosic Performer for dancing those bonuses wouldn't apply to your Performance check to make lingering/heroic work.

It also applies to counterperformance, which must be visual or auditory depending on the effect you're trying to counter. That's why acting/comedy is generally the best to pick for Virtuosic Performer, because they allow you to pick verbal or auditory as needed.

Horizon Hunters

I'm sorry I wasn't being clear enough. It sounds like in this thread that people think you have to choose to be Trained in a specific Performance. It was my understanding that being Trained in Performance meant you could do any type of Performance whenever you wanted to.

Virtuosic Performer even suggests that's the case, saying "You have exceptional talent with one type of performance." rather than "You have exceptional talent with your chosen type of performance."


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Atalius wrote:
So dancing won't work if your enemy has you grabbed, would Acting work? And if so which type of Acting performance would you suggest. Contemplating retraining to this type of Performance. Singing has its own issues (ie. Doesn't work in a silenced area, etc). I'm trying to decide between Dancing and Acting.

Yes, acting works. It has the auditory, linguistic, and visual traits and as such is not affected by being Grappled (that does affect only the move and manipulate trait).

As a matter of fact, Acting doesn't work in a silenced area as it has the auditory trait.

Edit: I realize I'm super late, it's not a new thread, but a necro'd one!

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