I know you have to be trained in Aldori dueling swords to take the dedication feat, but I have a question regarding that proficiency after you take it. The feat states:
"Whenever your proficiency rank in any weapon increases to expert or beyond, you also gain that new proficiency rank with Aldori dueling swords. You gain access to Aldori dueling swords."
Cool, but a fighter already attained expert with some weapons at level one, right? So does he rise to expert with Aldori swords immediately upon taking the feat...or does he have to wait until his weapon proficiency goes up again? Also, does this mean he can attain legendary with Aldori swords, because that would be really, really, cool.
Thank you.
Yes a fighter would start off with Expert and end up at Legendary. The cool thing is that the progression of the Aldori Dueling sword follows your highest weapon proficiency so it would match your chosen weapon group: Expert at level 1, Master at level 5, and Legendary at level 14.
Thanks! I know a lot of people have been saying this archetype doesn't look great, but the fighter is well off enough now that a slightly non-optimal character doesn't matter and frankly I've been waiting a long time for a simpler way to play an Aldori character.
That said, I do wonder what the logic was of making the sword a finesse weapon again when a fighter has no convenient way to do dex-to-damage. I'm not saying they should be able to, I just hoped the weapon and options would be a little more exciting.
At least I can enjoy the aesthetics. It's the closest to "high fantasy Jedi" I can get at level two in an RPG.
While I would tend to rule the same, i.e. give a fighter expert proficiency at level 2 when he takes the feat, that is not exactly following the RaW (which seem to stipulate only increasing it whenever you get your next raise, so trained at level 2 and then a big jump to master at level 5). So I wouldn't mind an "official" clarification on the issue.
While I would tend to rule the same, i.e. give a fighter expert proficiency at level 2 when he takes the feat, that is not exactly following the RaW (which seem to stipulate only increasing it whenever you get your next raise, so trained at level 2 and then a big jump to master at level 5). So I wouldn't mind an "official" clarification on the issue.
You and I are reading the rules very differently. By my reading since the Fighter's proficiency with simple weapons is currently increased to Expert, the Aldori sword proficiency is also currently increased to Expert.
While I agree that that is effectively how it should be, the RaW doesn't say that as it mentions the other weapon proficiency actively increasing (which is what happens during level-up) instead of just saying something like "your proficiency with the dueling sword is the same as your highest weapon proficiency or at least trained, whichever is better." Again, I agree it should be that, I just think the wording requires clarification and a rewriting for the next printing.
The only reason I could possibly think of why it should take until the next increase is some idea that for some reason it takes a really long time to practice and become really good with that particular sword type. Which would be totally out of line with how every single other weapon proficiency works, so not likely intended.
The archetype isn't great. For fighters.
Take it on a Precision Ranger and let me know how it goes.
The archetype isn't great. For fighters.
Take it on a Precision Ranger and let me know how it goes.
What makes it less appealing for fighters than for rangers may I ask?
Does anyone know if you could do dex-to-damage with it on a thief rogue? You would probably have to be human, right?
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Does anyone know if you could do dex-to-damage with it on a thief rogue? You would probably have to be human, right?
Human rogue with versatile heritage and general training as their level 1 ancestry feat can start with proficiency in the dueling sword, and can take the dedication as soon as 2nd level.
Pretty much all the Aldori duelist characters you're going to see are going to be human, it's just that for people with martial weapon proficiency you can be half-human and be okay.
Does anyone know if you could do dex-to-damage with it on a thief rogue? You would probably have to be human, right?Human rogue with versatile heritage and general training as their level 1 ancestry feat can start with proficiency in the dueling sword, and can take the dedication as soon as 2nd level.
Pretty much all the Aldori duelist characters you're going to see are going to be human, it's just that for people with martial weapon proficiency you can be half-human and be okay.
I mean an elven fighter would in theory work just as well, though, right?
I mean an elven fighter would in theory work just as well, though, right?
I'm honestly not sure if the fighter gains much from the Aldori dedication.
A fighter can get dueling parry at 2nd, "proficiency in an advanced weapon equal to their best proficiency" at 6th, and riposte at 8th. An Aldori duelist can get "proficiency in the dueling sword equal to their best proficiency" at 2nd, dueling parry (with one weapon) at 4th, and dueling riposte (with one weapon) at 6th.
Where the Aldori duelist falls short for a fighter is that the free hand fighter eventually gets the Dueling Dance stance at 12th which removes the action cost for Dueling Parry, something which is not currently available to the Aldori (perhaps it's in the Swordlord archetype) and you can't take dueling dance on an fighter with the aldori dedication at 12th level since the prerequisite for dueling dance is "dueling parry" not "aldori parry."
I feel like the main point of the Aldori archetype is to give those fighter dueling abilities to non-fighters. If you're a fighter taking the archetype you're there for Duelist's Edge, Unnerving Prowess, and/or Saving Slash.
I could see an Aldori fighter taking something like:
1) Snagging Strike
2) Dueling Parry
4) Aldori Duelist Dedication
6) Unnerving Prowess or Duelist's Edge if you're Charisma deficient.
8) Dueling Riposte
10) Saving Slash
12) Dueling Dance
Whats the Thief Rogue Aldori Duelist build look like, I wonder? Are there any tricks for it? (I should build one for myself and see, I suppose).
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not sure how good she would be but quickly knocked out this one
14 Str
18 Dex
12 Con
10 Int
10 Wis
14 Cha
PERCEPTION +8E**= +8 Base +0 Wis +0 Misc
FORTITUDE +7T**= +6 Base +1 Con +0 Misc
REFLEX +12E**= +8 Base +4 Dex +0 Misc
WILL +8E**= +8 Base +0 Wis +0 Misc
AC 21T**= +16 Base +3 Dex +2 Misc
AC: +2, Max Dex: +3, Armor Check: -, Speed: -
Studded leather (Trained)
Traits: finesse, versatile P, uncommon
Melee: +10/+5/+0 (1d8+4 P/S, Crit 2d8+8 P/S)
Aldori dueling sword (Trained)
Traits: agile, finesse, thrown 10 ft., versatile S
Melee: +10/+6/+2 (1d4+4 P/S, Crit 2d4+8 P/S)
Dagger (Trained)
Ranged (10 ft.) : +10/+6/+2 (1d4+2 P/S, Crit 2d4+4 P/S)
Special Abilities
Deny Advantage
Sneak Attack (1d6)
Surprise Attack
Feats
Gain a 1st-level general feat.
General Training [Ancestry Feats]
Aldori Duelist Dedication [Class Feats]
Aldori Parry [Class Feats]
Duelist's Edge [Class Feats]
Pickpocket [General Feats]
Weapon Proficiency (Aldori dueling sword) [General Feats]
Deity: Shelyn; Age: 18
Speed: 25 ft., Languages: Common
CG Human gambler rogue 4
Hero Points
44
Hit Points
+12E* AcrobaticsDex
+0U**ArcanaInt
+8T**AthleticsStr
+0U**CraftingInt
+8T* DeceptionCha
+8T* DiplomacyCha
+6T**Games LoreInt
+8T* IntimidationCha
+0U**MedicineWis
+0U**NatureWis
+6T**OccultismInt
+8T* PerformanceCha
+0U**ReligionWis
+6T**SocietyInt
+12E**StealthDex
+6T**SurvivalWis
+12E**ThieveryDex
Feats
Weapon Proficiency [General Training]
Charming Liar [Skill Feats]
Courtly Graces [Skill Feats]
Steady Balance [Skill Feats]
Subtle Theft [Skill Feats]
Lie to Me
Tracked Resources
Black adder venom, infused (DC 18) ☐☐
Dagger ☐☐☐
Elixir of life, lesser (infused)
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I had planned to do a scoundrel rogue aldori duelist, take the 2 general feats at first from being human, take the dedication at 2nd, then since I'm already going to be spending actions on things like feinting and demoralizing, I was going to take duelist's edge and unnerving prowess. For later levels, I'm going to have to see what the actual swordlord looks like.