Shield block, wording and hardness

[boriss283]

Hello. I have question about shield block and damage taken.

"Shield block" feat says -"Your shield prevents you from taking an amount of damage up to the shield's Hardness. You and the shield each take any remaining damage, possibly breaking or destroying the shield"

At the same time Hardness says - "whenever a shield takes damage, the amount of damage it takes is reduced by this amount"

The question is how many damage takes shield after shield block? It sounds logical that the shield receives initial damage - hardness (for example 15 (damage rolled) - 5 (hardness) = 10).

But wording clearly says that initial damage is reduced by hardness and only then player and shield takes damage. Hardness reduce damage when shield is taking damage so it looks like 15 (damage rolled) - 5 (reducing damage by hardness as feat says) - 5 (reducing damage by hardness when shield takes damage) =5

Please, clarify this for me.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

The two bits about damage being reduced by hardness are pretty much the same one rule being stated slightly differently in two different places. Only subtract the hardness once.

[shroudb]

You subtract once and both you and the shield take damage equal to remaining.

Shield block just restates the general "Hardness" rule while modifying it to also apply to the user.

In essence, it's :
General rule: when item is damage subtract X
Specific : when user is damaged subtract X and apply the rest both to the user and the shield.

You don't get the Hardness effect twice, you just modify it to also apply to the wielder.

[Skull]

Pretty much what everyone is saying.

If your shield has hardness 5. And the enemy is doing 6 damage to you when you use the block reaction. 5 of the damage is mitigated by the hardness of the shield. You and the shield each takes 1 damage.