Harmonize (Bard feat)


Rules Discussion


Does this feat enable me to have both Inspire courage AND inspire defense going at the same time? Since these are cantrips I assume this is something I could do every encounter without fear of running out of focus Points? It appears unfortunately Inspire Heroics can only increase the benefits of either Inspire Courage or Inspire Defense and not both hmm.


Yes, the main point of Harmonize is being able to have two of your composition cantrips running at the same time. This does cost you your whole turn, though.

And yes, Inspire Heroics would only affect one cantrip in your example.


Blave wrote:

Yes, the main point of Harmonize is being able to have two of your composition cantrips running at the same time. This does cost you your whole turn, though.

And yes, Inspire Heroics would only affect one cantrip in your example.

Ohh, So I wouldn't be able to use Lingering Composition with it?


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Depends on whether or not a free action is concidered an action.

Harmonize says your next action must be a composition. Lingering is a free action that must also be used before your next compositon. If Lingering's free action is considered your "next action", you'd lose the benefits from harmonize. I'm honestly not sure how to rule this.

You can definitely use Harmonize for one and Lingering for another cantrip in the same turn, however.


Blave wrote:

Depends on whether or not a free action is concidered an action.

Harmonize says your next action must be a composition. Lingering is a free action that must also be used before your next compositon. If Lingering's free action is considered your "next action", you'd lose the benefits from harmonize. I'm honestly not sure how to rule this.

You can definitely use Harmonize for one and Lingering for another cantrip in the same turn, however.

Interesting, so I could use Inspire Heroics to amplify my Inspire Courage AND use a regular version of Inspire Defense in harmony?

This may not belong here, but just curious which cantrips do you like to Harmonize personally?


Atalius wrote:
Interesting, so I could use Inspire Heroics to amplify my Inspire Courage AND use a regular version of Inspire Defense in harmony?

As far as I can tell, yes, that's totally possible.

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This may not belong here, but just curious which cantrips do you like to Harmonize personally?

None, to be honest. I wouldn't pick up Harmonize at all. Those cantrips are only good because they cost you a single action so you can do something more producive with the other 2. Spending all three actions for a turn just doing Harmonize -> Cantrip -> Cantrip seems like a waste.

I value my actions and if I ever get around to playing a bard, I'd most likely end up using Lingering Composition with any cantrip on turn on, so I have all 3 actions available for the next two rounds.

Which cantrip I'll use exactly will mostly depend on the situation. My favorite is probably Dirge of Doom since it gives a whole lot of enemies a -1 penalty to pretty much everything, including attack, saves and AC.


I agree that Harmonize is kind of bad and not worth it except as a prerequisite for Symphony of the Muse at 20th level. Retrain at end game and don’t actually use it.


Xenocrat wrote:
I agree that Harmonize is kind of bad and not worth it except as a prerequisite for Symphony of the Muse at 20th level. Retrain at end game and don’t actually use it.

I've changed my mind on this. The trigger definition and limitation is restricted to free actions and reactions - two of those things can't have the same trigger. But Harmonize is an action, so whether intended or not, it can't conflict by the RAW with a free action like Lingering Composition that has the same trigger/requirement, which here is "if your next action is to cast a composition."

So my new position is that Harmonize is ok and actually pretty good when combined with Lingering Composition. Spend two actions on Harmonize plus a Lingering Composition, freely use one other composition until that duration runs out.

Still not great without Lingering Composition because you'd have to spend three actions per round to maintain two compositions.


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Xenocrat wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
I agree that Harmonize is kind of bad and not worth it except as a prerequisite for Symphony of the Muse at 20th level. Retrain at end game and don’t actually use it.

I've changed my mind on this. The trigger definition and limitation is restricted to free actions and reactions - two of those things can't have the same trigger. But Harmonize is an action, so whether intended or not, it can't conflict by the RAW with a free action like Lingering Composition that has the same trigger/requirement, which here is "if your next action is to cast a composition."

So my new position is that Harmonize is ok and actually pretty good when combined with Lingering Composition. Spend two actions on Harmonize plus a Lingering Composition, freely use one other composition until that duration runs out.

Still not great without Lingering Composition because you'd have to spend three actions per round to maintain two compositions.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work.

Harmonize has the Metamagic trait:

Metamagic: These actions tweak your spells. You must
use a metamagic action directly before Casting the Spell
you want to alter. If you use any action (including free
actions and reactions) other than Cast a Spell directly
after, you waste the benefits of the metamagic action.

Effects added by a metamagic action are part of the
spell’s effect, not of the metamagic action.


Dang.

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