| Corvo Spiritwind |
Unsure about this combo of feature & feat, anyone got experience with this yet?
1 free action: Requirement: You haven't acted yet on your turn.
You expend the power stored in your bonded item. During your turn, you gain the ability to cast one spell you prepared today and already cast, without spending a spell slot. You must still Cast the Spell and meet the spell’s other requirements.
Default use seems to be: 1 free action to drain the item, followed by casting the spell with up to 2 action. Leaving 1 action left for the turn.
1 Action: Requirement: The last action you used was Drain Bonded Item.
By carefully manipulating the arcane energies stored in your bonded item as you drain it, you can conserve just enough power to cast another, slightly weaker spell. If the next action you use is to Cast a Spell using the energy from Drain Bonded Item, you gain an extra use of Drain Bonded Item. You must use this extra use of Drain Bonded Item before the end of your next turn or you lose it, and you can use this additional use only to cast a spell 2 or more levels lower than the first spell cast with Drain Bonded Item.
This one is what's bamboozling me. It requires the last action to be a Drain Bonded Item, which is a free action, and the wording of that ability says "During your turn, you gain ability to cast one spell." meaning it has to be followed up with a spell if I understood it right?
Is the correct chain of actions this:
> Free action to drain the item.
> 1 Action to Conserve, gaining an extra use of drain bonded item if the next action is a spell.
> Cast a spell two levels lower than the last spell cast via Drain Bonded Item.
What boggles me is the 3rd row. It needs a spell to be cast through Drain Bonded Item energy, but a wizard non-universalist wizard has just one of those, but the Bonded Conservation isn't universalist only.
Also what happens if you last cast a level 1 or 2 spell and the next spell you can cast has to be two levels lower, do we cast level 1 instead?
Thanks in advance.
| Paradozen |
Free action drain item
2 action cast spell
1 action conserve
-end turn-
-start turn 2-
Free action drain item
2 action cast spell (must be 2 levels lower than previous)
1 action conserve
-end turn 2-
Repeat as needed.
It is a many-turn ability that explicitly gives a bonus use of drain bonded item, with constraints. Anyone can use it because you get an extra use by conserving energy. If you cast a level 1 or 2 spell the next spell needs to be level -1 or 0, which don't exist, so conserve does nothing.
| Alchemical Wonder |
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My reading is that Bond Conservation must be the first action immediately after Drain Bond Item which you can only use once a day. This allows you to cast a second spell you’ve prepared and cast once already the turn after casting the spell subsequent to using Bond Conservation.
Begin turn
Drain Bond Item
Bond Conservation
Cast Spell
End Turn
Begin turn
Cast Spell
Do something
End Turn
| Loreguard |
Free action drain item
2 action cast spell
1 action conserve
-end turn-
-start turn 2-
Free action drain item
2 action cast spell (must be 2 levels lower than previous)
1 action conserve
-end turn 2-
Repeat as needed.It is a many-turn ability that explicitly gives a bonus use of drain bonded item, with constraints. Anyone can use it because you get an extra use by conserving energy. If you cast a level 1 or 2 spell the next spell needs to be level -1 or 0, which don't exist, so conserve does nothing.
Technically it must be:
Turn 1
Free action Drain Bonded Item (requires you haven't acted yet in turn)
1 action Conserve (requires last action was drain)
Any remaining 1 action, free action, or reactions that are applicable that leaves you enough to cast the spell...
1 or 2 action Cast spell you enabled via the Drain item action at start of turn.
Any remaining 1 action, free action, or reactions that are applicable that are left after you cast the spell...
Your turn ends
You might use a reaction during someone else's turn.
Turn 2
Free action Drain Bonded Item (requires you haven't acted yet in turn - only will support a spell 2 levels or lower)
Any remaining 1 action, free action, or reactions that are applicable that leaves you enough to cast the spell...
(potentially including another Conserve if you do it second, before any other actions)
Cast spell you enabled via the most recent Drain item action at start of this turn, limited by spell level as above. (since you used a free action to drain, this second spell might actually be a 3 action spell)
Any remaining actions, free action, or reactions that are applicable that are left after you cast the spell...
Your turn ends
You might use a reaction during someone else's turn.
You can't have another action in between the Drain Bonded Item, and the Conserve actions. But you can have actions between the Drain Item and Cast a Spell activities, and can have an action after the Cast a Spell activity. And your action in between your Drain and spell casting the second turn can be another Conserve. However, if the last spell you cast was a 2nd level spell you can't use conserve to cast a 1st level spell the next turn.
Or at least that is how I understand it.
And yes, a specialist can use it to cast a sequence of spells they have already cast. I imagine it might even be more used by specialists than univeralists, but I could be wrong.
| Corvo Spiritwind |
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I think I just realized the issue and it might be me being a dum-dum.
You must use this extra use of Drain Bonded Item before the end of your next turn or you lose it, and you can use this additional use only to cast a spell 2 or more levels lower than the first spell cast with Drain Bonded Item.
I didn't notice the additional use part.
But this is still a weird sequence. Drain Bonded Item requires a spell to be prepared and cast, which means you need to cast say, a level 4 spell, then Drain Bond to recover it, but you need to use Bond Conserve action followed directly by Casting the spell a was recovered, which returns the use of Drain Bond, but can only be used on a spell that is two or more levels lower.
So if today we cast a level 6 spell, a level 4 spell and a level 1 spell, combat could go as:
Round 1: Free action to recover any spell we used today, 6th in this case. 1 action for Bond Conserve followed directly by 2 action casting a 6th level spell we used today. This returns a use of Bond Drain, a charge which must be used on a spell 2 or more levels lower than the one we used.
Round 2: Free action to Drain Bond(bonus charge from conserve). 1 action to Conserve Bond, followed by 2 action to cast a 4th level spell. This should return use of Conserve Bond, and make the next Drain Bond work on a spell 2 or more levels lower. Next turn we can recast the 1st level spell we cast earlier.
An universalist can use Drain Bond by default equal to amount of spell slot levels he has. So he could potentially repeat this loop all day, starting at his highest level and continually casting spells two levels lower until he's back at 1st?
"2 levels or lower" on a spell of 2-1 spell slot, would that just round over to 1st level slots or fizzle?
| Corvo Spiritwind |
I didn't even consider the fact you could continue the chain on downward to get more spells out of your bonded item. I assumed it was a one-and-done kind of deal.
Wizard truly is the king of casting spells all day everyday.
I didn't understand this feat properly but I /think/ I do now, and it really shines in the later encounters after you've used up some spells, because then you can chose on a whim which spell to re-use. Sure you prepared two Fly, but then you need a third cast? No biggie. While at it, have a buff chain.
| Perpdepog |
Not to mention you can also get more extra spells by scribing your one-day-long scrolls as well with a 10th-level feat. I'm almost tempted to say that, with their ability to recover their spells so quickly and so often, wizards are almost better at being spontaneous than spontaneous casters are. Signature Spell still has them beat, though.