Enhanced Familiar with Improved Familiar Attunement?

[mrspaghetti]

I'm struggling to understand how these work together.

The Improved Familiar Attunement thesis states (in relevant part):

"Your familiar gains an extra ability, and it gains an additional extra ability when you reach 6th, 12th and 18th levels."

The 2nd level wizard feat Enhanced Familiar states:

"You infuse your familiar with additional magical energy. You can select four familiar or master abilities each day, instead of two.

Special If your arcane thesis is Improved Familiar Attunement, your familiar's base number of familiar abilities, before adding any extra abilities from the arcane thesis, is four."

So if you have Improved Familiar Attunement and you take Enhanced Familiar, does your familiar get

(a) 4+1 permanent abilities at 1st level AND you also get to choose 4 more familiar/master abilities daily?

Or is the Special note here intended as 'instead of' the text above it, so your familiar would get

(b) 4+1 permanent abilities at 1st level but you'd still only be able to select 2 others daily?

Interpretation (a) would you mean you have a total of 9 combined daily familiar/master abilities at first level, which is fully half the list of options. Which I guess would be fine with me since none of them are game breaking, just looking to get other readings on it. Maybe it's clear to everyone else...

[Blave]

Special is "instead of". Basically, a familiar usually has 2 abilities and the thesis increases this number by 1 at level 1 and grants one additional ability at level 6, 12 and 16.

The feat increases the base number of 2 abilities to 4. The additional abiilities of the thesis are added to the 4 base abilities.

[Azurespark]

If you have "Enhanced Familiar", then your familiar starts with 4 ability points instead of 2. And then "Improved Familiar Attunement" gives you an addition ability point at 1st, 6th, 12th, and 18th levels. So by 18th level, your familiar would have 8 ability points. And you can change which abilities you have every day.

[mrspaghetti]

So are you both saying that (b) is your interpretation?

Thanks for the responses, sorry if I seem slow.

EDIT: I think I get it. In this case I think it would have been crystal clear if they had simply omitted the Special note altogether.

[Gisher]

Azurespark has stated it correctly. You end up being able to select 8 abilities each day.

[mrspaghetti]

Gisher wrote:

Azurespark has stated it correctly. You end up being able to select 8 abilities each day.

Got it. 3 at first level with just the thesis, 5 at 2nd with Enhanced Familiar, then one more each at 6th, 12th and 18th from thesis.

Thanks all

[Azurespark]

Yea, I guess they could have worded it a bit different. Something like this.

Quote:

Enhanced Familiar - Your familiar gains an additional 2 ability points.

Okay so at 1st level, if you take the thesis, you will have 3 ability points (2 base + 1 from thesis). You can use these on any familiar or master ability. Then at 2nd level, you take the feat, this gives you 2 more ability points, for a total of 5. And then at levels 6, 12, and 18, you would gain 1 additional ability point. For a total of 8 points.

[Gisher]

Now I have to wonder if you could take multi-class Sorcerer and use the Sorcerer Enhanced Familiar feat to get another two abilities. :)

[Azurespark]

Gisher wrote:

Now I have to wonder if you could take multi-class Sorcerer and use the Sorcerer Enhanced Familiar feat to get another two abilities. :)

Lol, sure why not. But honestly, why would you? Is 8 points not enough?

[Gisher]

Azurespark wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Now I have to wonder if you could take multi-class Sorcerer and use the Sorcerer Enhanced Familiar feat to get another two abilities. :)

Lol, sure why not. But honestly, why would you? Is 8 points not enough?

Yeah, more than enough. I'm just kicking the tires on the new system.

[mrspaghetti]

Gisher wrote:

Azurespark wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Now I have to wonder if you could take multi-class Sorcerer and use the Sorcerer Enhanced Familiar feat to get another two abilities. :)

Lol, sure why not. But honestly, why would you? Is 8 points not enough?

Yeah, more than enough. I'm just kicking the tires on the new system.

Aren't we all