The Chelish Diabolist

[Lord Fyre]

Looking at the way that Summoning spells have been broken up between the four lists, I noticed that ...
* - Summon Fiend has been moved exclusively to the Divine list. So has Summon Celestial. :(
* - The Evil (formerly Fiendish) property no longer applies to anything a wizard summons.
This invalidates a whole raft of PF1 and D&D character concepts, such as the Chelish Diabolist mentioned in the title.

I noticed this "problem" when I converted the traits for the Council Of Thieves AP.

[lordcirth]

The Planar Binding ritual (minimum spell level 6) may be what you want. Page 414.

[Rysky]

Yep, Binding is still a thing, just not "summon fiendish killbot for 20 seconds".

[Lord Fyre]

Rysky wrote:

Yep, Binding is still a thing, just not "summon fiendish killbot for 20 seconds".

But, a wizard can still summon that killbot, just not a fiendish one. So, I am not sure what is gained via the change.

This also means that my write-up for the "Diabolist Raised" background needs revised.

[Eltacolibre]

Changing the class of the diabolist from wizard to cleric or sorcerer with the diabolist bloodline (which probably works well for council of thieves to be quite honest), won't make a huge difference.

[Stone Dog]

Sounds like Diabolism could be a Thesis that grants special access to a handful of Divine spells.

[Rysky]

Yeah with Cheliax still being a thing I definitely see a Diabolist option for Wizards down the line.

[Squeakmaan]

With the Church of Asmodeus being the state church of Cheliax, it's thematically appropriate in my mind for cleric being the go to diabolist.

[CyberMephit]

I feel like the game desperately lacks a low-level version of the Planar Binding ritual. I think I'm going to house rule it based on the Table 7-1.

mild spoilers ahead:

A released adventure features minor extraplanar entities "bound to serve" a 5th level creature explained by "paying a hedge mage to do it".

I highly doubt an 11th level wizard could be called a "hedge mage" and it feels like Lesser Planar Binding was supposed to be in the game right up until the last moment.

[Lord Fyre]

CyberMephit wrote:

I feel like the game desperately lacks a low-level version of the Planar Binding ritual. I think I'm going to house rule it based on the Table 7-1.

** spoiler omitted **

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