I bought the PDF for the Core Rulebook for Second Edition, and I'm loving it so far. One thing I'm confused about is whether or not the Monk's Ki Spells DC and Attack rolls (assuming you invest in the Ki Spells at all) use Wisdom.
Wisdom has been a staple for the Monk Class, often being the base for the DC for the monk's more explicitly supernatural moves. With the new edition of Pathfinder, they seem to have gone in the direction of having your more supernatural abilities being completely optional. And I think that is great, but I read through the side-bar that explained the Ki-Spell abilities and there was no sentence that explicitly said "Your spellcasting ability is Wisdom" (like the Champion does with Charisma).
The closest thing I can find is that there is an example Monk in a Sidebar called "Ki Monk" and under the Ability Scores section the second sentence reads "Wisdom empowers your Ki spells, Perception, and Will saves." I guess that confirms it, but I can't find it explicitly said in the rules.
Am I just overlooking it?
No, unofurtunate typo. Wisdom is indeed what you use.
I appreciate the quick response time and the knowledge that I'm not completely crazy. I am a little disappointed as such a major typo made it into the book as it might confuse players new to the genre. Still though, I'm loving Second Edition so far.
there isnt really a typo. the sample character is part of the rule book.
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OK. I am so confused here.
A class DC sets the difficulty for certain abilities granted by your character’s class. This DC equals 10 plus their proficiency bonus for their class DC (+3 for most 1st-level characters) plus the modifier for the class’s key ability score.
The key ability for monk is either STR or DEX.
Non-Spellcasters with focus spells
If you get focus spells from a class or other source that doesn’t grant spellcasting ability (for example, if you’re a monk with the Ki Strike feat), the ability that gives you focus spells also provides your proficiency rank for spell attack rolls and spell DCs, as well as the magical tradition of your focus spells.
I'm actually not seeing anywhere that says what the Ki focus spell ability is for monks. I was under the impression that it would use the Class DC. Is this not the case?
(yes, all I have currently is the online rules)
The Monk section should have had a statement similar to what the Champion class had about the stat for focus spells. Somehow they missed including it.
OK. As long as the CRB itself has that, I'm sure the Archives of Nethys will get it included at some point.
Added to my central list of typos/mistakes.
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Wisdom was also confirmed by Jason Bulmahn in a Gen Con panel.
I also spoke with Mark Seifter at GenCon and he confirmed that generally you will use a secondary stat when gaining/using Focus. He confirmed that Monk is intended to use Wis for Ki/Focus.
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I also spoke with Mark Seifter at GenCon and he confirmed that generally you will use a secondary stat when gaining/using Focus. He confirmed that Monk is intended to use Wis for Ki/Focus.Ok, but non-ki things like Stunning Fist and Brawling Focus / Critical Specialization should use the Str/Dex Class DC, right? And Ki uses your spell casting DC?
Yes.