The God of Prophecy is Dead?


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I was looking at products for P2, and I saw the Pathfinder Omens of the Lost World Guide available for preorder. In the description, it says the god of prophecy is dead. Isn't this Pharasma (sp?), who is also the goddess of death? What kind of changes will this bring to the fate of souls? Do they automatically go to the realms of their gods (which would be fine), bypassing Pharsma?

It does get annoying when settings kill off gods (Forgotten Realms is guilty of this, too), but maybe someone else has more info or could clarify? What exactly are the world changes in P2? Do we know?

I am still new to PF. I was drawn in by the novels, but I haven't finished them, since it's unclear when/if they will be picked up again, so I apologize if this has already been discussed.

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They're referring to Aroden being dead (something that's always been true of the setting). It's a slight misphrasing perhaps, but he was a God with an important prophecy about him whose death broke prophecy.

Pharasma is still doing fine.


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Was prophesy part of his domains? I have definitely had other people tell me he was a god of prophesy, so I wonder if it's a running misconception or if there is something in the source material to support it?


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The closest I can see is that he had "Fulfilment of destiny" in his portfolio.

Other than than it is just inaccurate ad copy and needs fixing. I think it was Jacob who confirmed it.


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MaxAstro wrote:
Was prophesy part of his domains? I have definitely had other people tell me he was a god of prophesy, so I wonder if it's a running misconception or if there is something in the source material to support it?

His portfolio includes "fulfillment of destiny", his holy text is "The History and Future of Humanity", and he had a pretty big prophecy about him (manifest and usher in a golden age).


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A bit of context for the OP. Aroden died about 100 years before PF1’s meta timeline starts. Someone else probably knows the exact date.


All right, thanks for the explanation everyone. I appreciate it.

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ElvenDancer wrote:
All right, thanks for the explanation everyone. I appreciate it.

You're quite welcome. I, at least, am always happy to be of assistance. :)

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Raylyeh wrote:
A bit of context for the OP. Aroden died about 100 years before PF1’s meta timeline starts. Someone else probably knows the exact date.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
ElvenDancer wrote:
All right, thanks for the explanation everyone. I appreciate it.
You're quite welcome. I, at least, am always happy to be of assistance. :)

I knew Aroden had died prior to the P1 timeline, but I got confused because of Pharasma also was listed as having prophecy in her portfolio, and, since I didn't know what changes P2 was bringing, I was worried it was referring to her lol.

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Pharasma is fine, despite some confusing marketing text.


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Pharasma loaned Aroden her dominion over prophecy, and now regrets that she’s probably not getting it back.

She really should have seen it coming.


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It's weird because I wasn't confused in the slightest. The wording seemed enitrely in line with how the Aroden plot has always been presented entwined with prophecy, which is a prominent central part of world at least in Paizo's focus on Inner Sea.

I can see if one was less directly familiar with that, it's possible to approach the wording "of Prophecy" as concrete descriptive/definitive based on Domains or listed Concerns, i.e. "the sponsor of prophecy" when it really more pertains to being caught up in prophecy, "the prophecied last azlanti will ascend to god-hood and bring humanity into golden age", not implying the dude himself is obsessed with prophecy or granting mortals access to them. So "of" is complicated :-).


Quandary wrote:

It's weird because I wasn't confused in the slightest. The wording seemed enitrely in line with how the Aroden plot has always been presented entwined with prophecy, which is a prominent central part of world at least in Paizo's focus on Inner Sea.

I'm not as familiar with the setting. I've been involved in Forgotten Realms lore for several years, but I'm new to Pathfinder, so I don't know all the details or nuances yet. When I saw the description of Lost Omens, I was trying to find which god it could be referring to, and I noticed Pharasma had prophecy listed in her portfolio. I supposed I could have looked up the history (I have a few of the lore books). Had I been more familiar with the wording, I likely wouldn't have been as confused ^^; but, being as this is the 2nd edition, I am not sure how much they had changed in regards to the lore (FR sometimes fluctuates from edition to edition).

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ElvenDancer wrote:
being as this is the 2nd edition, I am not sure how much they had changed in regards to the lore (FR sometimes fluctuates from edition to edition).

For the record, lore as such is mostly unchanged from PF1.

There are a few additions (mention's been made of male harpies and dryads, and there are communities of goblins who are less malevolent than the majority presented in PF1, plus other stuff in that vein), and the timeline has advanced specifically to account for the Adventure Paths (and maybe a few other adventures), but that's actually pretty much it as far as setting changes.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
mention's been made of male harpies and dryads

I just wanted to point out that there was a male dryad in Hell's Vengeance, so this isn't necessarily a change.

Not contradicting you, just figured I'd point out it's happened before!

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Cydeth wrote:

I just wanted to point out that there was a male dryad in Hell's Vengeance, so this isn't necessarily a change.

Not contradicting you, just figured I'd point out it's happened before!

Ah! Good to know. I still vaguely hold out hope for playing that one and hadn't gone through it. Male harpies are, I think, unmentioned prior to this edition, though.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:


Ah! Good to know. I still vaguely hold out hope for playing that one and hadn't gone through it. Male harpies are, I think, unmentioned prior to this edition, though.

Entirely fair! Alas, I rarely get to play in games anymore, since I'm primarily the GM. Even that's started to wane as I'm an author now, and running a game uses the same part of my mind that writing does. When one pays the bills... well, I mostly go through APs for ideas, these days. And the art.

That said, I haven't seen mention of male harpies off-hand, though I haven't gone through nearly as much material or lore as a lot of other people. Personally, I don't mind, and usually make the species who're traditionally one gender have members of the other very rarely, so the GM controls when they show up.

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Cydeth wrote:
That said, I haven't seen mention of male harpies off-hand, though I haven't gone through nearly as much material or lore as a lot of other people. Personally, I don't mind, and usually make the species who're traditionally one gender have members of the other very rarely, so the GM controls when they show up.

Yeah, I can't recall any PF1 mentions. They're definitely in for PF2, though. One showed up in one of the PFS scenarios in the playtest, and another shows up in the short fiction featuring Lem.

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There's at least one male harpy in PF1 since I put one in the Sandpoint book a few years back.

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