Maze + Dimension lock

[Mihajlo Velickovic]

Hi guys, we’re playing a high level PF campaign and have encountered an interesting situation last session. One of the PC wizards had a ready spell and targeted one of the monsters locking it in a Maze. He followed up next round by casting Dimension lock on the already cast Maze (I know, sounds like a great combo).

Now the monster at hand has the following among its stats:

Spell-Like Abilities (CL 20th; concentration +29)
At Will-greater dispel magic
3/day-quickened greater dispel magic, limited wish, plane shift, spell turning, wall of force (out of which, he has already used up 2 quickened greater dispel magic spells)

Question is - can the monster on one of the next rounds cast (at will) Greater dispel magic to dispel Dimension lock, and then to follow up with Plane shift to leave the maze?

Problem is that since the monster is technically in extra-dimensional labyrinth, while Dimension lock is cast on Prime Material plane - can he “target” Dimension lock from Maze/extra-dimensional space?

Your thoughts on this topic would be highly appreciated. Thank you

[Xenocrat]

The Dimensional Lock has no effect on the creature in the Maze. As you note, it's on the material plane, the creature is not. Until he escapes or dispels the maze, he's free to use his plane shift from within the Maze to return do a spot 5-500 miles away from the battle site.

[Scrapper]

Xenocrat wrote:

The Dimensional Lock has no effect on the creature in the Maze. As you note, it's on the material plane, the creature is not. Until he escapes or dispels the maze, he's free to use his plane shift from within the Maze to return do a spot 5-500 miles away from the battle site.

And that brings up the question if Dimensional Lock was cast first, would the target then be immune to Maze as they can not be shifted into an extra dimensional space?

Hmmm, may not be best cast together...

[Kayerloth]

You would be correct Scrapper, if the Dimensional Lock was in place first then Maze would be ineffective as travel into it would be blocked.

Likewise from inside the Maze, Dimensional Lock could not be Dispelled as if nothing else it is out of range of the Dispel.

Now I'm still thinking about what happens if the creature uses (successfully) Dispel Magic on the Maze itself. I'm thinking the best answer is the creature becomes shunted to the nearest space outside the area of the Dimensional Lock similar to what happens if the space has been filled with a 'solid' object. Not so sure if that's a RAW response or merely the best RAI answer or ... .

And a last funky note: Maze can't be successfully cast if there is no access to the Astral Plane (all teleportation spells require use of the Astral Plane)

[zaphod77]

This is a nasty combo.

How i read it is this.

1) maze must be cast first. otherwise, the dimensional lock blocks access to the astral plane, which blocks the maze spell.
2) if the creature fails the int check, you have time to cast the dimensional lock.
3) if the creature makes the int check after then, or the maze runs out before the lock, the creature gets shunted to the astral plane upon destruction of the maze. It can then plane shift back to within 5-500 miles of the spot. this is most likely outside the dimensional lock.
4) alternatively, simply plane shift to out of range of the dimensional lock while inside the maze. this works too. once back on the same plane, any decent teleport spell can be used to get just outside the area, and then it can be re-entered.

The dimensional lock can't be targeted from outside the plane it is in. that's kinda the point. it would be rather silly if it could be targeted from outside the plane. I'm not sure if spell resistance helps from outside the plane either, but it might.