Is ricochet toss limited?

[Slento]

I have been trying to refamiliarize myself with pathfinder recently and I came across the ricochet toss feat which reads

SRD wrote:

You are able to angle your thrown weapon attacks in such a way that the weapon ricochets and immediately returns to you.

Prerequisite(s): Quick Draw, base attack bonus +6, weapon training class feature with a ranged weapon.

Benefit(s): When you make a ranged attack with an appropriate thrown weapon, the weapon returns to your hand immediately after the attack is resolved.

This ability does not allow bullets, thrown ammunition such as darts or shuriken, or thrown splash weapons to return to you. Improvised thrown weapons don’t return to you unless you have the Throw Anything feat.

At first glance, it seems like there are only a handful of ranged thrown weapons that could benefit from this ability. I think I may have limited the feat too much though.

The feat doesn't say that you have to attack with a ranged weapon; it says you have to make a ranged attack with a thrown weapon. It also says that it has to be an appropriate weapon which I first took to be a frustratingly vague reference to the prerequisite weapon, but it defines appropriate weapon under the Weapon Master Feats header:

SRD wrote:

...you gain the benefits of a weapon mastery feat only while wielding a weapon that belongs to a fighter weapon group that you have selected with the fighter weapon training class feature (referred to hereafter as an “appropriate weapon”), and any effect of these feats related to attacks applies only to attacks from such weapons unless the feat specifies otherwise.

As I read it, the feat allows you to make a ranged attack with any weapon that you can throw that is part of the same weapon group as the ranged weapon that you used for the prerequisite (and possibly any other weapon group as long as you also chose a group that contains a ranged weapon.)

Example: You could take weapon training with the light blades group which includes the chakram, a ranged weapon. The group also include a dagger which is a melee weapon you can throw. Therefore you can use this feat with daggers.

Is this a valid reading? Am I missing something somewhere?

Thanks for your help

[doomman47]

For a +1 enchantment you can make any weapon a throwing weapon so that opens up a lot of doors for you for what you can and can not use the feat with.

[Slento]

doomman47 wrote:

For a +1 enchantment you can make any weapon a throwing weapon so that opens up a lot of doors for you for what you can and can not use the feat with.

Yeah, that was actually the plan. I just wanted to make sure the fundamentals of my build work at a simple level before I try to make it do something weird. I wanted to do some two-handed throwing which doesn't lend itself well to a blinkback belt.

[doomman47]

Slento wrote:

doomman47 wrote:

For a +1 enchantment you can make any weapon a throwing weapon so that opens up a lot of doors for you for what you can and can not use the feat with.

Yeah, that was actually the plan. I just wanted to make sure the fundamentals of my build work at a simple level before I try to make it do something weird. I wanted to do some two-handed throwing which doesn't lend itself well to a blinkback belt.

Just make sure you invest in the 2h throwing feats.

[PossibleCabbage]

Another thing worth mentioning is that with the "versatile design" weapon modification you can move any melee weapon into a weapon group like light blades which includes a ranged weapon.

So if you want to throw polearms or something...

[Slento]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Another thing worth mentioning is that with the "versatile design" weapon modification you can move any melee weapon into a weapon group like light blades which includes a ranged weapon.

So if you want to throw polearms or something...

OK you got me.

I like to make silly themed characters that do obviously absurd but arguably technically legal things. It's just for fun/learning the rules and I would never try to play it or allow it at my table.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I'm making a character called Lance Armstrong who uses hurling charge/charging hurler with pounce or pummeling charge or maybe barracuda dash to throw named bullet enchanted lances for multiplied crits. He takes lots of mutagens and rides a construct/animated object bike that can fly. He wears a bright yellow mammoth hide jersey.

It's obviously not nailed down, but if I had some more feats I would 1)make lances a monk weapon, 2) take a level of monk and ascetic style, 3) find someone to cast strong jaw to make my natural attack Lance hit bigger. This would be really funny if you did it with a butchering axe, but the dude's name is Lance.

[PossibleCabbage]

Oh, for lances just pick the "spears" group. It has throwing weapons like javelins and harpoons, and also silly things to throw like lances and sarissas. Just need that +1 equivalent "throwing" enchantment.

[Slento]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

Oh, for lances just pick the "spears" group. It has throwing weapons like javelins and harpoons, and also silly things to throw like lances and sarissas. Just need that +1 equivalent "throwing" enchantment.

I could do that, but if I want to do anythink like janni rush or strong jaw then I need to have an unarmed strike (natural weapon with one level of monk.) You can make any weapon count as an unarmed strike with ascetic style, but it only works with monk weapons. So then I'd have to make the Lance a monk weapon

[UnArcaneElection]

Slento wrote:

{. . .}

With that disclaimer out of the way, I'm making a character called Lance Armstrong {. . .}

Um . . . shouldn't that go in this thread?

[doomman47]

UnArcaneElection wrote:

Slento wrote:

{. . .}

With that disclaimer out of the way, I'm making a character called Lance Armstrong {. . .}

Um . . . shouldn't that go in this thread?

Umm no? Lance Armstrong is an astronaut. Alexander Louise Armstrong would go into the super hero thread.

[PossibleCabbage]

doomman47 wrote:

UnArcaneElection wrote:

Slento wrote:

{. . .}

With that disclaimer out of the way, I'm making a character called Lance Armstrong {. . .}

Um . . . shouldn't that go in this thread?

Umm no? Lance Armstrong is an astronaut. Alexander Louise Armstrong would go into the super hero thread.

Neil Armstrong was the astronaut, Lance Armstrong was the cyclist who won the Tour de France a bunch of times and got all his titles revoked because, while basically everybody cheats at that race, he cheated the hardest.

[doomman47]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

doomman47 wrote:

UnArcaneElection wrote:

Slento wrote:

{. . .}

With that disclaimer out of the way, I'm making a character called Lance Armstrong {. . .}

Um . . . shouldn't that go in this thread?

Umm no? Lance Armstrong is an astronaut. Alexander Louise Armstrong would go into the super hero thread.

Neil Armstrong was the astronaut, Lance Armstrong was the cyclist who won the Tour de France a bunch of times and got all his titles revoked because, while basically everybody cheats at that race, he cheated the hardest.

Ah got those two mixed up.

[Derklord]

doomman47 wrote:

PossibleCabbage wrote:

doomman47 wrote:

Lance Armstrong is an astronaut. Alexander Louise Armstrong would go into the super hero thread.

Neil Armstrong was the astronaut, Lance Armstrong was the cyclist who won the Tour de France a bunch of times and got all his titles revoked because, while basically everybody cheats at that race, he cheated the hardest.

Ah got those two mixed up.

But which one of those two was the jazz trumpeter? ;-)

[UnArcaneElection]

^Neither. For that you want Louis Daniel Armstrong.

[Derklord]

I thought that was the lead singer/guitarist of Green Day!