A psychic can learn a psi-tech discovery in place of a phrenic amplification or a feat.
Can a character with the psychic adept feat learn a psi-tech discovery ?
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No, the psychic adept feat does not allow you to count as a psychic, so you don't meet the requirements.
No.
However, a psychic detective investigator could probably take one or two psi-tech discoveries via Phrenic Dabbler (grants a phrenic amplification) and/or an investigator discovery ("can select an extra phrenic amplification once as a discovery"). Force Field and Laser Blast might be worthwhile options (along with a one level dip in techslinger gunslinger if in a campaign where technological firearms are available).
Off the top of my head, I can't remember another way a class other than psychic to take a psi-tech discovery.
A question.
For example, the investigator isn't an alchemist.
He has access to some discoveries from alchemist, no ?
Why will it be possible for an psychic detective ?
What does it mean the following text ?
The exact origin of psi-tech is lost to time, but many believe that the first practitioners of this strange art gained their abilities through exposure to the cybernetics, nanites, and biological technology salvaged from ancient ruins.
Why will it be possible for an psychic detective ?
Because of these five words tacked on at the end:
At 3rd level, a psychic detective gains a small pool of phrenic points equal to 1/2 her psychic detective level, as well as one phrenic amplification, as the psychic class feature.
This is the key clause you're looking for in cases like these. These five worlds establish rules transitivity between anything that works with psychics (with respect to phrenic pool or amplifications) and the psychic detective. Therefor a psychic detective can make use of psi-tech discoveries, because he's treated as if he had the phrenic pool/amplification class feature of the psychic as if he were a psychic.
In order to take psi-tech discoveries, you either need a rule that explicitly says you can, or you need something that establishes rules transitivity with the psychic phrenic amplification class feature. The psychic adept feat does neither so it won't do what you want here. On the other hand the psychic detective archetype does establish transitivity with this feature and therefor does have access to psi-tech.
Is it possible with a variant multiclassing : psychic ?
I based myself on the variant multiclassing : Wizard (as the secondary class).
Psychic
A character who chooses psychic as her secondary class gains the following secondary class features.
-Psychic Discipline : At 1st level, she chooses a discipline. For all powers of that discipline, she treats her character level as her effective psychic level.
-Phrenic Pool and Amplification : At 3rd level, she acquires a phrenic pool, as a psychic of his character level – 2. Additionally, she acquires access to a single phrenic amplification. For the purpose of this amplification, she treats her character level as her effective psychic level.
-Discipline Power: At 7th level, she gains the 1st-level powers of her chosen discipline. If any of those powers grant an extra effect at 20th level, the character does not gain that extra effect.
-Knack : At 11th level, if she has an intelligence score of 10 or higher, she chooses a psychic knack and can cast that knack as a spell-like ability at will. She uses her character level as the caster level and Intelligence as the knack's key ability score.
-Discovery : At 15th level, he gains a psi-tech discovery or a phrenic amplification, treating his character level as his effective psychic level.
-Greater Discipline Power : At 19th level, she gains the 5th-level or 8th-level power of her chosen discipline.
What do you think about the propositon of the variant multiclassing for the psychic ?
I remove the amplification at 3rd level ?
I think about the enlightement for the psychic discipline with :
- 1-st level power : Patient Insight
- 5-th level power :Focused Trance
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Is it possible with a variant multiclassing : psychic ?
"If I make up my own rules, do my own made up rules allow me to do the thing?"
We aren't the people to ask about that. Only your conscience and your GM can answer that question.
Yup, if you're homebrewing it does whatever you say it does. If you're asking about whether the specific phrasing you've chosen achieves that then the answer is yes, because:
For the purpose of this amplification, she treats her character level as her effective psychic level.
This establishes rules transitivity. For the purposes of the amplification you're treated as a psychic. Psychics can pick psi-tech in the place of amplifications, therefor you can do so with this VMC.
A question.
For example, the investigator isn't an alchemist.
He has access to some discoveries from alchemist, no ?
No. He has investigator talents, one of which specifically allows access to some specific alchemist discoveries.
Why will it be possible for an psychic detective ?
It isn't possible for a psychic detective--unless said psychic detective is also a psychic, anyway. A psychic detective has no rule granting them access to psi-tech, and they don't have any rule stating that they count as a psychic for prerequisites; ergo, the normal rules for psi-tech apply, meaning that only psychics can select them.
Don't read too much into the name "psychic detective". A dragon hunter ranger doesn't count as a dragon just because it has the word "dragon" in its name. : )
What does it mean the following text ?
The exact origin of psi-tech is lost to time, but many believe that the first practitioners of this strange art gained their abilities through exposure to the cybernetics, nanites, and biological technology salvaged from ancient ruins.
The text describes a theory held by characters in-world as to the nature of psi-tech.
A psychic detective has no rule granting them access to psi-tech, and they don't have any rule stating that they count as a psychic for prerequisites
I would disagree; this clause does exactly that:
At 3rd level, a psychic detective gains a small pool of phrenic points equal to 1/2 her psychic detective level, as well as one phrenic amplification, as the psychic class feature.
When you inherit the class feature, you also inherit all other rules that interact with it. The fact Occult Realms specifically says that psychics can take psi-tech discoveries is no more meaningful than the fact that the publication of the amplifications in Occult Adventures are written on the presumption that the character that's using them is a psychic. The Psychic Detective is inheriting a class feature normally native to the Psychic class, along with all the baggage that comes with it. That includes Psi-tech.
A psychic detective has no rule granting them access to psi-tech, and they don't have any rule stating that they count as a psychic for prerequisitesI would disagree; this clause does exactly that:
At 3rd level, a psychic detective gains a small pool of phrenic points equal to 1/2 her psychic detective level, as well as one phrenic amplification, as the psychic class feature.
I'm straining my eyes a bit, but I don't see where that clause makes a psychic detective count as a psychic for the purpose of prerequisites, other than for gaining a phrenic amplification. Psi-tech discoveries are not phrenic amplifications.
When you inherit the class feature, you also inherit all other rules that interact with it. The fact Occult Realms specifically says that psychics can take psi-tech discoveries is no more meaningful than the fact that the publication of the amplifications in Occult Adventures are written on the presumption that the character that's using them is a psychic. The Psychic Detective is inheriting a class feature normally native to the Psychic class, along with all the baggage that comes with it. That includes Psi-tech.
Nope. Getting access to a psychic class feature doesn't mean that you become a psychic. You don't suddenly get the psychic spell progression and all the other goodies a psychic gets. You get exactly what the ability says you get. Rules that interact with that particular class feature (in this case phrenic amplifications) do interact with the psychic detective's amplifications, but psi-tech discoveries requires the person learning the discovery to be a psychic, not to simply have access to phrenic amplifications.
TL;DR: Psi-tech is not an extension of phrenic amplification. It merely provides psychics an alternative to taking a phrenic amplification or a feat when one becomes available.
That argument completely ignores the "specific overrides the general" rule determinations that exist in pathfinder.
Based on your argument, an exploiter wizard can't select greater exploits (because the wizard has no arcanist level) or Outer Rifts exploits (because the descriptions say "arcanist" and not "arcanist or exploiter wizard"). They aren't normal exploits or explicitly mentioned in the archetype (because it's gaming book and not a legal text trying to spell out every permutation in minute detail).
That argument completely ignores the "specific overrides the general" rule determinations that exist in pathfinder.
Based on your argument, an exploiter wizard can't select greater exploits (because the wizard has no arcanist level)
They can't. Greater exploit is a separate class feature from exploit. (Unless this got FAQ'd when I wasn't looking.)
or Outer Rifts exploits (because the descriptions say "arcanist" and not "arcanist or exploiter wizard")
I don't know what these are, so I can't speak to how they work. As far as I can tell, though, Outer Rifts exploits are just exploits, so they're selectable by anybody who can select arbitrary exploits. Psi-tech discoveries, on the other hand, are their own thing; they aren't simply phrenic amplifications and thus grandfathered into any class that can select phrenic amplifications.
A psychic detective investigator casts psychic spells in place of creating alchemist extracts (using the psychic spell list, too). They explicitly gain a phrenic pool and one phrenic amplification "as the psychic class feature." A psychic detective is treated as if they are a psychic for the purpose of that phrenic amplification. The psi-tech discoveries can explicitly be taken "in place of a phrenic amplification" (full stop). Only the psychic class and the psychic detective archetype (as far as I know) can gain phrenic amplifications.
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The psychic detective does not count as an psychic.
The rules text literally do not function by that interpretation. The phrenic amplifications activate when a psychic spends points from the phrenic pool or casts a linked spell. If you want to be hyper-literal about this, a psychic detective isn't a psychic and thus cannot activate those abilities.
The fact that the psi-tech rules specifically state that they're for psychics is no more relevant than the fact that the phrenic amplifications themselves are written on the presumption that they're for psychics. The Psychic Detective grants you that feature, as the psychic class feature. Those words explicitly establish rules transitivity, meaning you inherit all those rules associated with phrenic amplifications for the psychic class along with their associated baggage. Yes, you are treated as a psychic for all purposes related to phrenic amplifications. "Full stop", if you like.
The phrenic amplification psychic class feature does not grant the ability "take a psi-tech discovery in place of a phrenic amplification", so I'm not sure why you keep bring up that bit of text--the fact that a psychic detective gains the the phrenic amplification class feature isn't in dispute. Rather, the ability to take a psi-tech discovery in place of a phrenic amplification (or a feat) is a psi-tech rule, not an extension of the phrenic amplification rules, and psi-tech places its own limitation on who can make such a substitution--namely, psychics only.