Stacking Razor-Sharp + Whetstone


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After the death of "another" character, I was looking into a melee character, and I am now at the point of creating my weapon.

So, looking at weapon modifications, and it states for Razor-Sharp that it gives +1 bonus on weapon damage rolls for a number of attacks that gets reset after using a whetstone.

A regular whetstone states it provides a +1 bonus on your damage roll the first time you hit with it. Fair enough, it just looks like it extends the +1 bonus over more uses with the weapon modification. To me, it doesn't appear as though it would stack as the razor-sharp requires a whetstone to reset its number of uses.

However, I was looking at the Apprentice’s Whetstone, and it provides a +1 bonus to damage rolls for the next 8 hours. A lot more than just the first hit, and potentially outlasting the razor-sharp modification.

So, do you think these bonuses should stack with one another?

BONUS QUESTION!
Adding weapon modifications to magic weapons cost +50% more, but what if you enchant the weapon after getting the weapon modification? Do you still need to dish up the extra 50% for the weapon modification?


I thought you already had to be +1 to add modifications... like Adaptive on a composite bow. I could be wrong.

Razor Sharp is an untyped bonus, it stacks.

An Apprentice Whetstone would give you 8hrs with a +1 untyped bonus to damage.

Razor Sharp would give you a +2 untyped bonus to damage for 3+BAB hits within that 8hrs.


VoodistMonk wrote:

I thought you already had to be +1 to add modifications... like Adaptive on a composite bow. I could be wrong.

Adaptive is a magical enchantment, while razor-sharp is a mundane/non-magical alteration to a sharp weapon.

So, I was looking into enchanting a sword that has a razor-sharp edge.

I did come to the conclusion that it wouldn't matter if it had the modification before or after it was enchanted, and it still should cost the additional +50% for the specific modification.

As for the damage bonuses, looking at it as un-typed bonuses makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.


I mean, at 10th level it’s an extra 6 or 7 total damage/day if you hit on half your swings, and it takes either a feat or use of an inferior base weapon. And gold.


Fox Soul wrote:
So, looking at weapon modifications, and it states for Razor-Sharp that it gives +1 bonus on weapon damage rolls for a number of attacks that gets reset after using a whetstone.

That's not correct - "the bonus can be reset by spending 15 minutes whetting the blade after a night’s rest." Emphasis mine.

RAW, the bonuses stack ("Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source." CRB pg. 208), period.
Considering how bad Razor-Sharp is, I see no reason why it shouldn't stack.


In theory you could get more uses out of the weapon modification by putting it on a doubling dagger. Provided that you are only ever throwing it or attacking with the copy.

It's still only +1 damage on a d4 weapon and the bonus from the apprentice's whetstone wouldn't carry over to the copy.


Razor Sharp is completely not worth spending money on adding to your weapon. It is added to loot by the GM early on before it is sensible to add magic items to the game. Nobody BUYS it on purpose.

Same with the Apprentice Whetstone... $3,000, for a limited time +1... only a fool would commit to such a gimmick. This is an item the GM adds to the loot either with the Razor Sharp weapon, or shortly thereafter.

At level one the rogue/fighter finds a really nice, yet mundane, dagger/sword with a sharpening stone built into the scabbard like those "survival knives" or military bayonets always have.


I like the 3rd party Apprentice's Whetstone, but cannot use it in my game. :-(

I think a Whetstone is best used on ammo. Adding +1 to an arror that only is used once is fine.

/cevah


Cevah wrote:

I like the 3rd party Apprentice's Whetstone, but cannot use it in my game. :-(

I think a Whetstone is best used on ammo. Adding +1 to an arror that only is used once is fine.

/cevah

Ya, I didn't notice it was Third Party until much later.

However, it was still nice to discuss if the weapon modification bonus stacked with a regular whetstone.

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