I have the mechanics side approach to this question:
Example: Human, Rogue
1st Level feat: Fast Learner
1st Level normal FCB: 1/x Rogue Talent (RTF - Rogue Talent Fraction)
Thus in above (marked now as I:C [initial choice]) I did not pick Hit points nor Skill points and thus did not receive it.
Does following different outcomes come with the Fast Learner:
1. I:C + 1 hit point and 1 skill point = RTF + 1HP + 1SK per level
2. I:C + 1/x Rogue Talent = 2x RTF
And if (2) does following mechanics apply:
1. You gain Extra Rogue Talent faster aka. with fraction 1/4 you would gain RT at level 4 earliest - thus you would RT faster at level 2 (due getting 2x RTF per Favored Class Level. See I:C if started to headspin) ? (See below follow up questions)
2. You receive the Extra Rogue Talent on the level as it would normally have full RTF? So in this
3. or can you choose to spend gained extra rogue talent(s) on level of choosing?
Follow Up questions on mechanics:
If option 1 what if there is nothing to select?
If options 2 or/and 3 then all is clear.
Please advice.
- Res
Fast learner works only if you take the skill point or hit point as your favorite class bonus.
Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you can choose an alternate class reward.
As in your quote 'or you can choose an alternate class reward.'
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Yes: You aren't required to take SP/HP for your favored class bonus, but if you take the 'alternative' option, Fast Learner does not provide any additional bonus at that particular level:Fast learner works only if you take the skill point or hit point as your favorite class bonus.
Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you can choose an alternate class reward.As in your quote 'or you can choose an alternate class reward.'
- If you pick +1 HP, you gain that HP and a Skill Point as well.
- If you pick +1 SP, you gain that SP and a HP as well.
- If you take an alternative reward, you gain that reward as normal.
Finally, please note that you can't take an Alternative Rewards if it impacts a class feature you don't actually have yet, so your rogue can't take the racial option at level one because he doesn't gain the 'rogue talent' feature until level 2.
As always, your GM has the final word on how all of this works at your table (unless this is for a PFS game).
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Yes: You aren't required to take SP/HP for your favored class bonus, but if you take the 'alternative' option, Fast Learner does not provide any additional bonus at that particular level:Fast learner works only if you take the skill point or hit point as your favorite class bonus.
Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you can choose an alternate class reward.As in your quote 'or you can choose an alternate class reward.'
- If you pick +1 HP, you gain that HP and a Skill Point as well.
- If you pick +1 SP, you gain that SP and a HP as well.
- If you take an alternative reward, you gain that reward as normal.
Finally, please note that you can't take an Alternative Rewards if it impacts a class feature you don't actually have yet, so your rogue can't take the racial option at level one because he doesn't gain the 'rogue talent' feature until level 2.
As always, your GM has the final word on how all of this works at your table (unless this is for a PFS game).
Maybe it is clearer if we add some parenthesis:
Benefit: (When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit) or (you can choose an alternate class reward).
The bolded "or" is relative to the two different phrases within the parenthesis.
It isn't:Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you (receive one of the bonuses and) can choose an alternate class reward.
That kind of benefit needs to be explicitly mentioned to be available.
Yes: You aren't required to take SP/HP for your favored class bonus, but if you take the 'alternative' option, Fast Learner does not provide any additional bonus at that particular level:Fast learner works only if you take the skill point or hit point as your favorite class bonus.
Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you can choose an alternate class reward.As in your quote 'or you can choose an alternate class reward.'
- If you pick +1 HP, you gain that HP and a Skill Point as well.
- If you pick +1 SP, you gain that SP and a HP as well.
- If you take an alternative reward, you gain that reward as normal.
Finally, please note that you can't take an Alternative Rewards if it impacts a class feature you don't actually have yet, so your rogue can't take the racial option at level one because he doesn't gain the 'rogue talent' feature until level 2.
As always, your GM has the final word on how all of this works at your table (unless this is for a PFS game).
Maybe it is clearer if we add some parenthesis:
Benefit: (When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit) or (you can choose an alternate class reward).The bolded "or" is relative to the two different phrases within the parenthesis.
It isn't:
Benefit: When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you (receive one of the bonuses and) can choose an alternate class reward.That kind of benefit needs to be explicitly mentioned to be available.
So all in all, you are backing my original mechanics question that if I initially (w/o the feat) select alternative class reward (alt. means in this conjuction that it is not a HP or a SP) and if I have the feat I can select the alternative class reward twice, such as:
2. Initial Choice (class reward 1/x Rogue Talent) + alternative class reward from feat (1/x Rogue Talent) = 2x RTF
Yes?
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Uh, I'm not Diego Rossi, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant.
You get "(1 HP and 1 SP) or (1 FCB) in total", not "[...] in addition to your usual FCB".
If you take the racial FCB, Fast Learner has no effect for that level.
It only takes effects for levels where you take an extra HP/extra SP, giving you an extra SP (in addition to your HP) or vice versa.
Agree with the above, Fast Learner only provides a benefit during levels when you choose a combo of +1 HP and +1 SP. If you choose the alternate benefit, the feat provides you nothing at that level.
