Knockback and Attack of Oppertunitys

[Celestial92]

Hello sorry if this has already been discussed but I'm having issues with trying to find out if knockback rage power allows the barbarian to get an attack of oppertunity since you are pushing the target out of your threat range. I dont belive it does do to the wording of it being a bullrush but one of my players insists that it does. I know that the greater bullrush allows allies to get an attack of oppertunity but not the one doing the bullrush. Would really like to put this argument to rest so if you can please bring up sourses saying yes or no to this argument it would be a huge help thank you.

[Weables]

I doubt you'll find an official source on this, but I concur with you.

Benefit: Once per round, the barbarian can make a bull rush attempt against one target in place of a melee attack. If successful, the target takes damage equal to the barbarian’s Strength modifier and is moved back as normal. The barbarian does not need to move with the target if successful. This does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

bolded for emphasis, it literally says as normal, so treat it as a normal bull rush, with the only exceptions being what is stated, period.

[Wonderstell]

Well, the answer is in the description of the rage power, as Weables points out. It's a Bull Rush that deals damage.

Why does your player think it would provoke an AoO?

[Celestial92]

Wonderstell wrote:

Well, the answer is in the description of the rage power, as Weables points out. It's a Bull Rush that deals damage.

Why does your player think it would provoke an AoO?

he belives that since the creature is leaving your threat range forcefully and not taking a withdraw action to do so it will instigate an AoO

[Lelomenia]

Wonderstell wrote:

Well, the answer is in the description of the rage power, as Weables points out. It's a Bull Rush that deals damage.

Why does your player think it would provoke an AoO?

i thought it was really obvious to. But on second thought, you could read the last line as saying the target doesn’t get to AoO on the Barbarian. Read that way, I think it would get AoOs from allies if you had the greater bulrush feat, but never from you.

[Wonderstell]

Lelomenia wrote:

i thought it was really obvious to. But on second thought, you could read the last line as saying the target doesn’t get to AoO on the Barbarian. Read that way, I think it would get AoOs from allies if you had the greater bulrush feat, but never from you.

Yeah, that's how you're supposed to read it. Basically, you can use this ability without provoking even though you don't have Improved Bull Rush. It's common language used in abilities which gives you maneuvers as part of attacks, like Shield Slam or Repositioning Strike.

So if your player had Greater Bull Rush, other allies would gain AoOs.

[Weables]

Wonderstell wrote:

Lelomenia wrote:

i thought it was really obvious to. But on second thought, you could read the last line as saying the target doesn’t get to AoO on the Barbarian. Read that way, I think it would get AoOs from allies if you had the greater bulrush feat, but never from you.

Yeah, that's how you're supposed to read it. Basically, you can use this ability without provoking even though you don't have Improved Bull Rush. It's common language used in abilities which gives you maneuvers as part of attacks, like Shield Slam or Repositioning Strike.

So if your player had Greater Bull Rush, other allies would gain AoOs.

This. As normal means as normal for a bull rush, including modified by other feats like greater bull rush

[Cevah]

While moving out of a threatened square provokes an AoO, the target of the rage power is not moving but being moved.

Generally, it is actions you take that provoke an AoO on you. Actions others take almost never generate an AoO on you. The exceptions are few, and the text always calls out that it is an exception.

For example, the Step Up and Strike feat does this.

/cevah