Bloodrager + Monk + Claws + Flurry?


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My character's first level is Bloodrager with the Draconic bloodline (yes, I gonna try the Dragon Disciple). I want to take Unchained Monk at 2nd level to get Flurry and Improved Unarmed Strike. This will allow me to take Dragon Style at 3rd level and Dragon Ferocity at 5th.

Does the Monk's Flurry stack with the Draconic bloodline, allowing me 3 claw attacks during a full-round attack?


You will need feral combat training to flurry with natural attacks.


Yup, and it wouldn't gain you any extra attacks over a regular flurry.

Edit: Hmm. That last part was the case with CRB monk, but I don't see the same language in the unchained monk's flurry of blows ability description.

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And how would these attacks stack when I gain the Bite attack? Would it be Claw/Claw/Claw/Bite for a full round?


blahpers wrote:

Yup, and it wouldn't gain you any extra attacks over a regular flurry.

Edit: Hmm. That last part was the case with CRB monk, but I don't see the same language in the unchained monk's flurry of blows ability description.

He takes no penalty for using multiple weapons when making a flurry of blows, but he does not gain any additional attacks beyond what’s already granted by the flurry for doing so. (He can still gain additional attacks from a high base attack bonus, from this ability, and from haste and similar effects).

Copy pasted from unchained monks flurry.


ckdragons wrote:

And how would these attacks stack when I gain the Bite attack? Would it be Claw/Claw/Claw/Bite for a full round?

Nope, if you take feral combat training and pick claw as your natural weapon you can flurry with your claws only and don't get any additional natural attacks so at level 3 with 2 claws and a bite you can either flurry for 2 claw attacks or attack with 2 claws and a bite.


maybe brawler would work better then monk.

It would take 2 levels, but you would get improved unarmed combat and two-weapon fighting. You could make your primary strikes using your elbows or feet and then then get both your claws and bite attack as normal.

You would get more attacks, but all of your natural weapons would be treated as secondary attacks even with feral combat training. Assuming I'm understanding the natural weapon rules correctly.


LordKailas wrote:
maybe brawler would work better then monk.

On the contrary, Brawler doesn't work at all: "A brawler with natural weapons can’t use such weapons as part of brawler’s flurry, nor can she make natural weapon attacks in addition to her brawler’s flurry attacks."

Feral Combat Training only has a special line regarding Monks, so it doesn't help, either.


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Make it a Menhir Guardian Monk and you could flurry with your Shifter Claws, then FCT for the bite and you could flurry with that too...but only when you get 8 levels in Monk, which is proooooobably not the build you had in mind.


I think they went monk for scaled fist for a cha based monk since they are also a bloodrager so that will limit what else they can stack on.


Derklord wrote:
LordKailas wrote:
maybe brawler would work better then monk.

On the contrary, Brawler doesn't work at all: "A brawler with natural weapons can’t use such weapons as part of brawler’s flurry, nor can she make natural weapon attacks in addition to her brawler’s flurry attacks."

Feral Combat Training only has a special line regarding Monks, so it doesn't help, either.

hmm... you are correct.

I suppose it's possible to just take 2 weapon fighting and improved unarmed fighting separately as feats. Since two weapon fighting doesn't have a statement like this.


Do you want arguments about metaphorical hands? Because this is how you get arguments about metaphysical hands.


Nah, it does work, natural attacks mostly ignore the "metaphorical hands" crap.
The problem is that you'd need to spend money on two weapons and an Amulet of Mighty Fists. So you have like four times the normal weapon cost.
In addition, for such a build, the natural attacks only help against enemies where your TWF is already doing well (enemies you can full attack, with low AC and no DR).


Derklord wrote:

Nah, it does work, natural attacks mostly ignore the "metaphorical hands" crap.

The problem is that you'd need to spend money on two weapons and an Amulet of Mighty Fists. So you have like four times the normal weapon cost.
In addition, for such a build, the natural attacks only help against enemies where your TWF is already doing well (enemies you can full attack, with low AC and no DR).

They would still be unable to use the manufactured weapons and their claw attacks in the same round since the manufactured weapons take up that limb slot.


Only if you use weapons wielded in your hands - armor spikes and boot blade would work.

Come to think of it, TWF with unarmed strikes plus natural attacks would work, and only need an AoMF.


Oh good, now armor spikes and boot blade are in the mix. Now we're in full-on metaphorical hand mode!


Sorry, I had to - it's not a proper mindscrew if they're not involved! Seriously though, as long as you're not using unarmed strikes or other manufactured weapons, armor spikes and boot blade aren't problematic, and I'd say they're created for situations where you can't wield weapons in your hands. But, again, unarmed is way cheaper, and exlicitly allows "kicks, and head butts". Plus, at that point, your natural attacks are pretty much "win more", so who cares?

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