Can you quicken a spell gained from spell kenning?
Spell Kenning makes any spell gained by using the ability have a casting time of 1 full round regardless of its normal casting time, whereas quicken spell can make any spell with a cast time of 1 full round or less a swift action instead... But is the change to a casting time of 1 full round permanent and unchangeable or can the spell be modified as you cast it using the metamagic feat like you can other spells?
Yes, I just dont know if...
"At 5th level, a skald is learned in the magic of other spellcasters, and can use his own magic to duplicate those classes’ spells. Once per day, a skald can cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or sorcerer/wizard spell list as if it were one of his skald spells known, expending a skald spell slot of the same spell level to cast the desired spell. Casting a spell with spell kenning always has a minimum casting time of 1 full round, regardless of the casting time of the spell."
...the bolded word meant the spells cast time always becomes a full round regardless of the original cast time (in which case it can be modified by quicken) or if it meant that the cast time becomes 1 full round and cannot ever be changed by metamagic like quicken spell...
No. Because the ability is a full round action at minimum, regardless of actual time.
So a swift spell is a full round. Metamagic would make the spell swift, but the ability mdked it a full round to cast.
Quicken spell doesn't work.
So the ability that gives access to the spell and increases the casting time takes precedence over metamagic that modifies spells as they are cast spontaneously?
I'm with Cavall - "always" means always. Quicken doesn't state anything about overriding abilities that increase casting time (apart from the 'spontaneous metamagic'-rule), and Spell Kenning doesn't list an exception (like for instance Sacred Geometry (*bleagh*) does).
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Im not so sure. The ability itself isnt what take the full action, casting the spell is the full action. As far as I can tell, using Spell Kenning isnt an action at all, it is simply an ability that enables you to cast certain spells, and the casting of the spell is a full action.
Quicken spell can always reduce the time of any spell that has a 1 round casting or less.
Im not so sure. The ability itself isnt what take the full action, casting the spell is the full action. As far as I can tell, using Spell Kenning isnt an action at all, it is simply an ability that enables you to cast certain spells, and the casting of the spell is a full action.
Quicken spell can always reduce the time of any spell that has a 1 round casting or less.
Can you think of other spells that say they *always* take one full round?
I agree that it is always.
Lets look at it this way though, what would happen if you used spell kenning to cast a swift action spell, something like Cold Ice Strike. It would take a full round because that is what spell kenning takes, even if the spell is cast as a swift action.
A standard action spell, modified with quicken spell is exactly the same. Spell kenning it is going to take a round, it doesn't care if the spell would be faster if it was cast a different way.
A standard action spell, modified with quicken spell is exactly the same. Spell kenning it is going to take a round, it doesn't care if the spell would be faster if it was cast a different way.
Well there is the fact that spontaneous casters apply metamagic to spells as they cast them, or rather, "they can choose when they cast their spells whether to apply their metamagic feats to improve them". So it doesnt make a difference what the spell was originally, provided it qualified at that point in the spell casting. What would prohibit quicken is if the "always" part of spell kenning meant "always from this point onwards" or just that its always changed to 1 round at that stage in the spell casting process.