| RazarTuk |
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So as a quick historical note, historical bucklers were actually closer to small shields in 3.PF. You would actually stick it out in front of you, because while it was too small to be much use against arrows, the concept of having a target in front of you that isn't your mortal coil is an amazing thing for dueling. This thread isn't really about shield names, though. I just mention that to make sure people have the right mental image of things.
Onto the meat of this complaint, swashbucklers are literally named after the shield. Even if later incarnations of the archetype like Westley and Inigo Montoya were too cocky to bother with shields, the original swashbucklers would duel with a rapier in one hand and a buckler thrust out front with the other. That's where the name comes from. They swashed (swaggered about with a sword) with bucklers.
So while it's a little strange in that context for Slashing and Fencing Grace in 1e to disallow shields, the technicality around 3.PF bucklers being strapped to you arm and therefore not actually occupying a hand meant that you could still include the buckler part of being a swashbuckler. However, there are no shields in 2e that can be strapped to your arm, meaning we're left with only the swashing part of being a swashbuckler.
Therefore, I propose either reintroducing the 3.PF buckler or, since design space is tighter, just amending the requirements on the Dueling Parry feat chain to allow for a light shield in your off hand.
Mourningcloud
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So as a quick historical note, historical bucklers were actually closer to small shields in 3.PF. You would actually stick it out in front of you, because while it was too small to be much use against arrows, the concept of having a target in front of you that isn't your mortal coil is an amazing thing for dueling. This thread isn't really about shield names, though. I just mention that to make sure people have the right mental image of things.
Onto the meat of this complaint, swashbucklers are literally named after the shield. Even if later incarnations of the archetype like Westley and Inigo Montoya were too cocky to bother with shields, the original swashbucklers would duel with a rapier in one hand and a buckler thrust out front with the other. That's where the name comes from. They swashed (swaggered about with a sword) with bucklers.
So while it's a little strange in that context for Slashing and Fencing Grace in 1e to disallow shields, the technicality around 3.PF bucklers being strapped to you arm and therefore not actually occupying a hand meant that you could still include the buckler part of being a swashbuckler. However, there are no shields in 2e that can be strapped to your arm, meaning we're left with only the swashing part of being a swashbuckler.
Therefore, I propose either reintroducing the 3.PF buckler or, since design space is tighter, just amending the requirements on the Dueling Parry feat chain to allow for a light shield in your off hand.
Again, you speak truth. One thing that doesnt have to change from the 1e RAW is that you CAN hold things in the same hand that grips the buckler. even an off hand weapon, if you want stab instead of punch.