Resilient and Vicious Concentration w / summon spells

[Isiah.AT]

The way I am reading it, resiliant concentration and vicious concentration work on creatures that are summoned via natures ally and summon monster. The minion is an ally affected by the spell as it is keeping it bound on the plane making it part of the spell. Technically these spells are doing damage even if via the minion, just as flaming sphere is doing damage via the flaming sphere.

Is this RAI? If so, it opens things up for a sorcerer that wants to be a summoner, and is so far balanced.

[Isiah.AT]

Forgot to point out that effortless contretion makes natures ally and summon monser unbreakable through damage.

[Blave]

Vicious dosn't work with summons. The spell doesn't deal damage. The summoned creature does.

I'd say if the description of a spell doesn't say it deals damage, it doesn't deal damage. Otherwise you could argue gust of wind is a damaging spell when you blow someone off a cliff.

Resilient probably won't work either. Saying the summon spell "affects" the summoned creature seems like a stretch. It could be read that way, but I seriously doubt that's the intend.

[Isiah.AT]

I see how it could be more the way you described than what I did. Granted you could also say flaming sphere is unaffected bexause the spell only summons it.

At least now when they read this they can provide better clarity.