Pretty straightforward; do Half-Orcs count as both Human and Orc for the purpose of feats? I don't see anything that says so one way or the other, but they're explicitly listed as their own race. By contrast, Aasimar/Tiefling/etc get "pass for human" racial traits, letting them qualify as both their base type/subtype as well as human for the purpose of things like spell effects and feat prerequisites. But what about half-orcs?
Pretty straightforward; do Half-Orcs count as both Human and Orc for the purpose of feats? I don't see anything that says so one way or the other, but they're explicitly listed as their own race. By contrast, Aasimar/Tiefling/etc get "pass for human" racial traits, letting them qualify as both their base type/subtype as well as human for the purpose of things like spell effects and feat prerequisites. But what about half-orcs?
"Orc Blood: Half-orcs count as both humans and orcs for any effect related to race."
From an FAQ:
Half-Elf or Half-Orc: Can a character of either of these races select human racial archetypes (such as from Advanced Race Guide?
Yes. Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements).
Rule elements would include feats.
More proof:
Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.
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No offense to you, could I get a second opinion? Again, truly; no offense intended whatsoever. But a friend of mine from the campaign in which this is relevant did some research and found something that said the opposite; Half-Orcs do not qualify for Human or Orc feats.
So if I could get general consensus, or even better yet a reference to a FAQ or official ruling on the matter, that would be absolutely spectacular.
Thank you for the input, I just want to be able to get a bit more so it's not "one person said this, another said that" y'know?
So, followup on this: this list of racial feats mentions the vast majority of them, and all of the ones that both Half-Orcs and Orcs qualify for specifically say "Half-Orc or Orc". And yet Orcs have several feats that very specifically say one has to be an Orc. Not a Half-Orc, but a full-blooded Orc.
This is leaving me further confused, but it seems like Half-Orcs kinda got the short end of the stick by not getting any means of qualifying for Human feats, given the "Orc Avatism" alternate racial trait exists.
Wraithstrike is correct. Half-Orcs count as Half-Orc, Human and Orc for rule purposes, such as qualifying for feats or being affected by a slaying arrow.
Likewise, Half-elfs count as Half-Elf, Human and Elf.
Agreed with the above. As wraithstrike quoted from the FAQ, it is the whole kitten kaboodle.
Now, if that allows qualifiying for racial archetypes is questionable (are those effects as well?)
Agreed with the above. As wraithstrike quoted from the FAQ, it is the whole kitten kaboodle.
Now, if that allows qualifiying for racial archetypes is questionable (are those effects as well?)
Yes.
Think of it this way. If a game element asks "are you an orc?" you get to say yes - I can't think of any exceptions that could be excluded from that rather blanket FAQ.
SnippedNo offense to you, could I get a second opinion? Again, truly; no offense intended whatsoever. But a friend of mine from the campaign in which this is relevant did some research and found something that said the opposite; Half-Orcs do not qualify for Human or Orc feats.
So if I could get general consensus, or even better yet a reference to a FAQ or official ruling on the matter, that would be absolutely spectacular.
Thank you for the input, I just want to be able to get a bit more so it's not "one person said this, another said that" y'know?
What is your friend's source?
I provided quotes from official sources such as the FAQ and the official books.
Whenever we have disagreements here it's common courtesy to be able to provide the source.
Edit: My racial heritage quote from the comment you're questioning is from the "Advanced Player's Guide".
Your friend may have out of date information. The referenced FAQ entry ends with the following statement:
"Edit 9/26/13: This is a reversal of an earlier ruling. This resolves a discrepancy between this FAQ and two Advanced Player's Guide FAQs."
So the Paizo folks originally ruled the other way and then reversed themselves.
Your friend may have out of date information. The referenced FAQ entry ends with the following statement:
"Edit 9/26/13: This is a reversal of an earlier ruling. This resolves a discrepancy between this FAQ and two Advanced Player's Guide FAQs."
So the Paizo folks originally ruled the other way and then reversed themselves.
This likely explains why some feats are worded the way they are in terms of racial requirements (eg: the Half-Orc or Orc feat). A Half-Orc can qualify for Racial Heritage which makes him a rather funky beast that gets favored enemy bonuses against him by every ranger.
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SnippedNo offense to you, could I get a second opinion? Again, truly; no offense intended whatsoever. But a friend of mine from the campaign in which this is relevant did some research and found something that said the opposite; Half-Orcs do not qualify for Human or Orc feats.
So if I could get general consensus, or even better yet a reference to a FAQ or official ruling on the matter, that would be absolutely spectacular.
Thank you for the input, I just want to be able to get a bit more so it's not "one person said this, another said that" y'know?
Two things: the first response did cite an FAQ. And secondly, there is no need to ask for a second opinion, if an incorrect answer is posted a wave of corrections will fall on it like a epic wave-thing.
But if that incorrect answer is from Wraithstrike I will eat my hat and go a day with no coffee.
SnippedNo offense to you, could I get a second opinion? Again, truly; no offense intended whatsoever. But a friend of mine from the campaign in which this is relevant did some research and found something that said the opposite; Half-Orcs do not qualify for Human or Orc feats.
So if I could get general consensus, or even better yet a reference to a FAQ or official ruling on the matter, that would be absolutely spectacular.
Thank you for the input, I just want to be able to get a bit more so it's not "one person said this, another said that" y'know?
Two things: the first response did cite an FAQ. And secondly, there is no need to ask for a second opinion, if an incorrect answer is posted a wave of corrections will fall on it like a epic wave-thing.
But if that incorrect answer is from Wraithstrike I will eat my hat and go a day with no coffee.
That incorrect answer is not from me. You may keep your hat, and have your coffee. :)