Alignment Magic items and Alignment subtypes


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So I am playing a LG character however because of flavor reasons he has The Chaotic and Evil subtypes, meaning he gets treated as evil and chaotic for the purposes of spells like holy word, Dictum, and smite evil but he also counts as good and lawful for the purposes of spells like blasphemy, word of chaos, and smite good. Basically for all intensive purposes he detects as Chaotic Evil but he takes all the negatives of being all alignments, but what about when it comes to magic items and intelligent magic items? would an intelligent magic item know that he is personality wise lawful good? or would a holy, anarchic, axiomatic, holy, and unholy weapon all just give him negative levels? I am the DM in this case so I get final say but I'm not really sure what my ruling should be as I'm a real fan of this type of character that is part of the "did nothing wrong, but is demonized" club, like in my case a Lawful Good Half Demon but it has a boat load of negatives rules wise but I want to encourage creative character making. (for those wondering why the hell I would nerf myself so hard it's because I have a half-fiend template)


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King_Namazu wrote:
for all intensive purposes

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Grammar/Usage Aeon wrote:
King_Namazu wrote:
for all intensive purposes
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Keep your pants on grammar hitler I typed it on a mobile and hit the predictive spelling, I'm well aware it is "for all intents and purposes".


lol... I had to read that misspelling twice...

This is clearly in GM home game territory as you gone beyond RAW or common practice.

There is a difference between alignment, alignment for purposes of spell targeting (penalties in its way), and detection spells. I would draw the line at spell targeting unless the creature had several items with alignment descriptors(a technical term).
An example is a a LG creature with an ioun stone [evil] that causes the creature to detect as Evil. This happened in PFS. This relates to the item having an Evil aura.
Several Bestow Curses could also cause this type of effect.

#1 I would discourage template usage without some level cost. The problem here is fairness and templates are designed as shortcuts with a rough CR adjustment. A level 2 fighter may not be as good as a level 1 half fiend template fighter. Secondly are access to monster feats and such. Those are not tuned for player usage.
I'd suggest just making the character a Tiefling and dump the template.

This thread should be in the Advice forum.


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Holy/Unholy/Axiomatic/Anarchic should penalize him for the same reason he's harmed by both smite good and smite evil. Due to the quirk of this character's alignment and subtype, all alignment effects effective oppose him.

For an intelligent item, however, I'd roleplay it. I don't think the item would inherently know his actual personality, but could come to that realization and behave accordingly.


I'd agree that intelligent items will probably confer a negative at first. Like character's they have roleplay potential. Telepathy will shorten the process.


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I don't think an intelligent holy weapon (for instance) can choose not to inflict a negative level on an evil wielder, even if it decides they're "really" LG, especially since

holy wrote:
This negative level cannot be overcome in any way (including by restoration spells) while the weapon is wielded.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

I don't think an intelligent holy weapon (for instance) can choose not to inflict a negative level on an evil wielder, even if it decides they're "really" LG, especially since

holy wrote:
This negative level cannot be overcome in any way (including by restoration spells) while the weapon is wielded.

Only if the intelligent item can suppress its own properties (something I remain unclear about), and only while suppressed.

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