Tangleshot Arrow and Poison...

[Skarm]

Hi all,
I was wondering:

A Tangleshot Arrow states:
"This arrow is tipped with a tiny vial of tanglefoot goo. Firing a tangleshot arrow is a ranged touch attack; the arrow deals no damage when it hits, but the target is splashed with the alchemical adhesive. This effect is similar to that of a tanglefoot bag, but with the following adjustments: Reflex DC 10, Strength DC 12 to break, 10 points of slashing damage to cut through, concentration DC 10 to cast spells. A tangleshot arrow imposes a –1 penalty on attack rolls because of its weight."

But...such an arrow could be poisoned with injury or contact poison to deliver it on the target?

Thanks,
Skarm

[thorin001]

Contact only. Injury requires damage. Injury poison is stopped if DR reduces the damage to 0.

[Skarm]

thorin001 wrote:

Contact only. Injury requires damage. Injury poison is stopped if DR reduces the damage to 0.

I think it is still good...but...do you think that the contact poison = ok with ranged touch could be a widely accepted interpretation?

I mean...contact poison seems to be a bit lacking of supporting rules...at least from what I've read... :(
Skarm

[LordKailas]

I'm not sure what you mean. I agree with thorin001.

The tangleshot arrow specifies that it doesn't deal any damage and injury poisons require that you deal damage to the target in order for it to do anything. Contact Poisons on the other hand say.

Contact Poison wrote:

These poisons are delivered the moment a creature touches the poison with its bare skin. Such poisons can be used as injury poisons. Contact poisons usually have an onset time of 1 minute and a frequency of 1 minute.

I suppose if the target is covered head to toe and/or you fail to make contact with the target's skin it won't work. But otherwise you should be fine. Looking over the poison list I saw at least a dozen contact poisons so there is some variety to pick from as well.

[Skarm]

LordKailas wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean. I agree with thorin001.

The tangleshot arrow specifies that it doesn't deal any damage and injury poisons require that you deal damage to the target in order for it to do anything. Contact Poisons on the other hand say.

Contact Poison wrote:

These poisons are delivered the moment a creature touches the poison with its bare skin. Such poisons can be used as injury poisons. Contact poisons usually have an onset time of 1 minute and a frequency of 1 minute.

I suppose if the target is covered head to toe and/or you fail to make contact with the target's skin it won't work. But otherwise you should be fine. Looking over the poison list I saw at least a dozen contact poisons so there is some variety to pick from as well.

I agree...apart from someone wearing a full plate mail or something like that I doubt any armor would leave no skin exposed.

My plan was more like "Play a poisoner" and "turn all poisons into contact poisons"!! :D
Skarm

[Azothath]

Poisons are rather unitized in Pathfinder so when it is touched, applied, or accidentally touched it is spent/used. RAW is written for simple cases and so the process easily gets into corner cases where GMs have to make decisions.
If a creature is in full plate armor and touches a contact poison it is very likely that the poison is now on their armor OR they didn't activate the poison(unlikely).
Could they then wipe off the contact poison on another creature?
It gets into GM decision area VERY FAST. Most GMs will wait until the armor is taken off and then have the save rolled. Other will handwave the process and just ask for a save a short time after the contact poison was touched.
All a poisoner PC with contact poison is going to do is have your GM make a lot of decisions on those corner cases and that boils down to not doing what you expect about 25-33% of the time. As long as you stay out of corner cases it'll be simple and proceed as per RAW.